@georgia im an original sin defender tbh

@georgia id argue a literal creation story makes original sin make less sense and turns it into a matter of collective punishment

@georgia i gotta think about how to explain it for a bit

@georgia really what it comes down to is the idea that humanity is one whole even here on earth. the lines between you and me arent all that hard. i am born into many evil systems and their sin of systems that advantage me especially is mine by default though i bear the whole condition either way. original sin is kinda the ultimate systemic sin of which all systemic sin is a subset.

take the prodigal son living in the pigpen. lets say he has kids there. if one ensures that the children are born and live away from the pigpen then they are not the children of their “parents” at all. the children of the prodigal son aren’t actually allowed to exist. the way to love the children of the prodigal son is not to substitute their existences with faraway clean children but to let them be born and raised by their parents but help them home to a real home where they are cleaned and fed.

st maximus says that creation and the fall happen in the same instant. in this framing there was no literal adam who spent any time sinless. creation is instead the process of reality intruding into the pigpen which has no existence of itself so that the people can find a true home.

@georgia in some sense the order of justice is flipped from religions with reincarnation or rebirth. its brought by the care received in heaven and suffering on earth becomes a means to care for one another. similarly it cleaves us from the falsehood of this reality having truth of itself

@georgia basically its not a punishment in the way most people think of punishment. in my heart i think of it in terms of samsara, not of individual souls, but of the threads of us that run through one another and especially through those that come after us.

@KaiserKitty @georgia yeah tbh though i cant say ive sorted out how