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is jesus the only founder of a religion who wasnt a member of that religion Himself?
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@georgia Jesus didn't really found Christianity it was more Paul's doing
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@lain oh they believe in that Ethiopian monarch right
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@aetios thats very fair but jesus definitely started a religion of sorts
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@lain can you tell me about rastafarianism I'm pretty ignorant
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@georgia i really don't know much more about it, i should look into it more.
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@georgia @aetios
the group around Jesus (if he existed) was a Jewish sect who kept the laws and dietary regulations. doctrinally they are very far from Christianity.
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@georgia I think Jesus would have considered himself a Israelitan Jew
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@kaia @aetios they probably didnt believe in the trinity either
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Was l ron hubbard officially a scientologist?

'Jedi' became a recognized religion in Australia a few years back, but afaik lucas never claimed to be one

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@georgia I think the Hindus who say Shakyamuni Buddha is misunderstood by Buddhists are probably right. I think he probably just meant that the accidents you identify with are not what you really are.

No historical evidence for this it just seems unlikely that the proposition of radical nominalism metaphysically has anything to do with detaching from your personal cravings and expectations as a meditative discipline and the Buddhists wind up having to rely on ambiguity to justify the exact same beliefs that the Vedic tradition believes and has no issue accounting for.

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@georgia There are serious questions about the historic Muhammad too. Sometimes "reliable" Hadiths agree with Jewish consensus over the Quran. Older substrates of surviving sources refer to Jews as part of the Ummah. The Quran seems to think Christianity and Judaism are both true and legitimate paths sometimes, but other times it calls for their annihilation, and this change sometimes happens within the same surah. Its not clear if the change is chronological in history either.

Also most of the semitic customs are testified to in Arabs at an earlier date than Muhammad's life.

I think for any religion with a single founder from the start of the axial age all the way to the advent of cheap printing, it's going to be ambiguous whether that founder was more a part of the new tradition or the old one. The answer is usually probably both.

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@georgia the earliest Christians were considered Jews, like others said Paul and some other apostles shaped what it became today
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