calling jesus a palestinian as if judaism was just his religion and his real nation was palestinian (which was a renaming of judea) is an act of appropriation honestly

@georgia If you want to be really pedantic Jesus was actually born in the Herodian tetrarchy, as Judaea was established in 6 AD.

@SuperDicq I dont think the jews at the time called where they live the herodian tetrarchy lol

@georgia what people mean is that he and his people had lived there for So So Long amd didnt need to colonize the place and kill a pre existing people just to pretend to be from there .

@fiore I know youre well-meaning here but youre ignorant of history of you think that palestinians are 100 percent descended from indigenous people and jews arent. the truth is both are people with partial Canaanite roots influenced by "illegimate" conquests. palestinians have very significant admixture from people who invaded the land, especially muslim colonizers but also christian ones. theres a reason that "al-masri" (the Egyptian) is one of the more popular gazan surnames. meanwhile jews are about half descended from converts on the maternal side. both groups are indigenous to palestine, literally the only difference here is that their conquest was well in the past while the Israelis was more recent. but sure, say israelis "pretend to be from there". they have committed crimes but theyre not foreign to the levant.

@fiore palestinian historiography often claims that palestinians are descended from all the peoples who have ever lived in palestine and many of those people were conquerers or quasi-genociders of indigenous jews and samaritans. no people of israel/palestine is pristine except the samaritans! but of course, this doesnt excuse the current genocide in Gaza. I just must debunk nationalist inspired myths whenever I see them.

@georgia thats not what i meant but its ok this doesnt rlly matter anyways

@georgia fair enough

@georgia @fiore Honestly the idea there there is a single indigenous culture *anywhere* in the Mediterranean kinda makes no sense.

@fiore also like I said I know youre well meaning but this post was about jews not Israelis. I said jesus was jewish, I would never claim he was Israeli. yet you said that jesus wasnt a foreign conquerer as if I were talking about the modern Israeli nation. the fact that when you hear 'jesus was a jew and a judean" you think "oh no he couldnt have been, because he was from there and was deeply rooted there" is quite sus. like you can say he was from there and was deeply rooted there by calling him a hebrew and an israelite, you dont need to use terms from nations that are modern creations like israel or palestine.

@fiore really sorry if I misunderstood you I think I might have

@yakmacker @fiore the history is quite messy but canaanites were the first real "civilization" in the region and both jews and palestinians have significant canaanite roots. so do jordanians and lebanese (although many lebanese prefer to call themselves phonecians). also the hebrew language is a canaanite language and the jewish religion came out of canaanite religion.

@georgia imean fair i guess i made the association “this person js saying jesus couldnt be palestinian” -> “this person is supporting israel” a bit too hastely , youre right . im sorry for that , it doesnt make sense and its quite harmful . i just did it because thats the kind of people who Usually says that , but i wouldnt thibk that of you

@fiore I'm a post-zionist I dont support most of what israel has done lol but I get the bad optics

@georgia @fiore Yeah but there's two issues:
1) the Canaanites might not have seen themselves as a single ethnic group at all
2) even if there was at one point someone who would call themselves a Canaanite, there is nobody today who is actually a Canaanite, because it's been so long since the region was settled and so many people have moved in, out, or around the place.
Instead what we have are multiple, quite distinct, ethnic groups that all have pretty much the same claim to indigeneity. Except in places where nationalism has firmly stamped out memories of indigenous cultures (*cough cough* Italy), pretty much everywhere in the Mediterranean is like that.

@yakmacker @fiore thats a very fair point

@yakmacker @georgia italian unification was a mistake