the khazar myth is edgy but if you want to insult ashkenazi jews by saying were not "tru israelites" while remaining accurate, dont call us slavs or turks, call us romans. its much more accurate, were like half descended from southern italian converts, also it names us after our enemies.

@georgia You will get "Italian" and not a millimeter more.

@georgia only true Israelite

@georgia If you don't like it I will downgrade to Med.

@georgia not sure the rhetorical point of the khazar theory because saying "actually you guys are turks" has very little significance. maybe it's for people who are really attached to the old testament israelites and want to deny their relation to modern jews?

@genmaicha like all nationalist and anti-nationalist "history", its nonsense.

@georgia

What is it these days the whole world thinks it's italian?

> The analysis revealed two distinct subgroups within the remains: one with greater Middle Eastern ancestry, which may represent Jews with origins in Western Germany, and another with greater Eastern and Central European ancestry. The modern Ashkenazi population formed as a mix of these groups and absorbed little to no outside genetic influences over the 600 years that followed, the authors said.

As per the DNA. There is no southern Italian.

@joey thats a misrepresentation of the study, which ive also seen. "we considered a model where EAJ is a mixture of the following sources: Southern European (South Italians or North Italians), Middle Eastern (Druze, Egyptians, Bedouins, Palestinians, Lebanese, Jordanians, Syrians, or Saudis), and Eastern European (Russians). We used modern populations as sources, as modeling with ancient sources was unsuccessful (Data S1, section 7). Multiple models with South-Italians were plausible (p>0.05; Table S3), which would be consistent with historical models pointing to the Italian peninsula as the source for the AJ population (Data S1, section 16; though see below for alternatives and caveats). The mean admixture proportions (over all of our plausible models; Table S3) were 65% South Italy"

this study corroborates other studies which find ashkenazi euro admixture to be almost entirely southern italian.

@georgia
Lol @ using modern populations. My family are as southern Italian as you can go before falling off the edge and my blood is a mix of greek, spanish, catalonian, middle eastern, german and norman and god knows what else.

There is a village 20 km North of my dad's birth place in Sicily where the locals speak some type of ancient german dialect inherited from their ancestors that migrated there from germany over 500 years ago.

Southern Italian heritage is extremely localised. language can differer from town to town. Only a person who has no understanding of the extreme south would give that study any credibility.

@georgia Also, Northern and Southern Italians are not the same thing. Not even close. Northerners are just german and slav. They don't even look like us, or sound like us.

@technolyze @georgia https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/genetics/articles/10.3389/fgene.2017.00087/full

@meowski @georgia I’m gay

@technolyze @georgia i assumed as much

@meowski @georgia thanks

@joey its not just one study its practically every study on ashkenazi jewish origins. stay mad I guess

@meowski @technolyze not sure why im arguing with you because believing debunked and fringe theories is your entire thing but ehran elhaiks studies are fringe and so are the linguistic theories of wexler (I actually know a little bit about linguistics and no one else uses "relexification" as liberally as him). theyre literally the only mentionable academics supporting the khazar myth, no one else takes them seriously at all. elhaiks modus operandi as a mendacious academic is quite consistent, he always either uses tools no one else uses because of their unreliability or he chooses proxies stupidly and with clear bias, like choosing azerbaijani jews (descended from Iraqi jews) and armenians (who are mediterranean not turkic) for khazars and choosing beduoins (arabians) for Israelites. instead of choosing say, Tatars (turkic) and Druze (found in syria and closely related to all major jewish groups). the fact is almost all studies find significant and even predominant southern euro admixture along with middle eastern, and "ashkenazi jews are descended from Israelites and roman converts to judaism" plainly explains this.

@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @meowski@fluf.club @technolyze@whinge.town If you're a Bible literate antisemitic Christian you have to defend the Khazar myth because the Bible promises Jews a ton of specific material privileges that can't be revoked, the only way to reneg on the deal is to psyop yourself into denying the Jewishness of Jews.

It's stupid but nothing is more wigger coded than post-truth moralization so their hearts compel them to it.

@meowski @technolyze druze often consider themselves just arabians but their origins may be more complex given things like their ties to jews and lebanese who both have significant canaanite origins.

@georgia @technolyze that's just one study and i'm not sure how debunked or accurate it is. when you look at the totality of genetic research on origins of ashkenazis, all i can conclude is that 1, it's some admixture of european and *possibly* middle eastern descent, and 2, it's inconclusive at best, and 3, ashkenazis have been living in europe since the middle ages when they migrated or converted to judaeism.

but the relevance to modern politcs and the state of israel, and the so called "right of return," and also why you seem so bothered, is the more important issue. and to me, regardless of the details of ashkenazi ancestry, you do not get to stroll into some palestinian's home and delcare that to be your home because God's Chosen™

as long as we can agree on that point i really don't care about the rest.

@apollo @georgia @technolyze you're a God damned idiot. i didn't say anything about khazars i just posted a link to a paper

@georgia @technolyze this is fine to debate this. i just can't get behind any 3rd temple building, red heifer sacrificing fanatics because of twisted interpretation of prophecy, and stealing and bombing people's homes on flimsy questionable genetic evidence that these fanatics think justifies any atrocity and gives them a right to some land that can't claim any direct link to for at the past 1200 years. even if for argument's sake, diaspora jews were 100% descended from ancient israelites, i STILL would reject the premise of the right of return

Jesus came to fulfill the law, and that inheritance belongs to everyone regardless of nationality or ancestry and we're all God's chosen people now.

@meowski @technolyze I agree with the last part and that no one should be dispossessed, but people have been dispossessed again and again in the history of Canaan. it returning to being partly jewish (btw the middle eastern ashk ancestry isnt tentative its 25-60 percent by all reliable studies) is just part of that history, so as long as no more atrocities and dispossession happen in both a palestinian and an israeli state then were good. the major obstacle to peace right now is that leadership on both sides is recalcitrant, while the Israelis are actively commiting apartheid and a genocide as well. let's hope all that ends.

@meowski @technolyze also "thats just one study". yeah. the only studies which have found khazar origin plausible are literally all authored by the same dude.

@georgia @technolyze the modern state of israel itself is founded on fake atrocity propaganda (the holocaust)

how far do we have to go back to reset, to say "no more atrocities?" after right now? cause israel just killed 70000 innocent people by carpet bombing gaza because 1500 people died, most of whom were actually killed by their own military, in a deliberate stand-down LIHOP that they knew was coming.

so what about those people whose land and homes and children have now been blown up? does that count, or are we re-setting after that?

the modern state of israel is an abomination. i want nothing to do with it. the USA will be cursed because of our relationship with it.

frankly it's such a mess there, i can't begin to offer a solution, other than cut off their free welfare and weapons that i shouldn't be responsible for, and let them sort it out

@meowski @technolyze sorry I didn't read after the denying the Holocaust part. just means the rest of your post is probably a waste of time.

@georgia @technolyze the sacred myth that can never be questioned and justifies everything. well that's your loss. keep on believing in a fairy tale if you want but it doesn't stand up to investigation

@meowski @georgia idk man pretty sure the holocaust happened, like the entire “it’s just work camps” I mean, ya they were “work camps” that turned into death camps. Mass killing of Jews, if not from pure malice it was malice mixed with a desire to remove what they viewed as inhuman resource sink.

@meowski @technolyze youre wrong. almost every revisionist myth ive ever seen is handily deconstructed and debunked at https://www.nizkor.org

go read that site and maybe then well talk

@technolyze @georgia there was no systematic gassing of 6 million jews

yes, jews died in forced labor camps, mostly of disease, and also being bombed by allies. and yes i believe hitler was a nut job and don't love hitler

@georgia @technolyze you can't even read the rest of my post then expect me to read your web site?

no i have welding to do, i'm not here to be lectured by you if you can't have a conversation

@meowski @technolyze about 6 million jews still died or it wouldnt have taken until now for the world jewish population to rebound. a million of them were shot by death squads, many were gassed, and many died of starvation and disease. it had multiple methods but was still a deliberate and systemic genocide. look at nizkor, talk some other time.

@georgia @technolyze the numbers don't add up and muh 6 million was used and reused repeatedly over the past 100 years. that's some kind of a psyop. i believe the number is probably closer to 1 million.

if the japanese had won WW2 we'd be having this conversation about the 6 million japanese gassed in the internment camps or something. history is written by the victors, but there are too many problems with the story. i can't buy into it

@meowski @georgia the numbers don’t add up for how many people would have to be lying.

@technolyze @georgia people don't have to be lying to be wrong

@meowski @georgia you are proposing a mass conspiracy to alter the history of the disappearance of millions of people, of soldiers seeing piles of dead bodies, of traumatized people witnessing horrors beyond human comprehension. Genocides happen and they really aren’t that massive of a feat.

@technolyze @georgia yes it is a vast conspiracy and many of those stories of horrors have been proven fake and admitted lies.

anyway i have shop work to do ...

@meowski @technolyze yeah sorry youre just incredibly wrong. like i said, almost every argument raised by revisionists is addressed on nizkor. the comparison to japanese people is almost ridiculous. go do your welding.

@meowski @georgia @technolyze the Nazis deliberately destroyed records to obfuscate this, BTW. Only a very small amount of hard numbers from the death camps survive, and they're pretty significant.

@meowski @georgia traumatized people on the verge of starvation might imagine greater things happening it is possible, and charlatans did exist that made what were essentially pornographic filth. But what you propose still suggest a conspiracy between essentially all survivors masterfully gaslighting the various diaspora of where they ended up.

@meowski @georgia as well as the account of two opposing super powers, the Red Cross and American soldiers, all would have to be in on a gaslighting conspiracy.

@georgia Why can't you accept those studies are flawed and contradictory? Read papers on genetic ancestry from DNA analysis accuracy to understand just how pointless those studies are. Ashkenazi Jews are not Italian, especially not southern Italian and it sounds pretty desperate when people try to claim heritage that isn't theirs based on studies that are at best dubious and at worst falsified.

@joey take it up with the nearly unanimous actual experts, mr self proclaimed expert. sorry you were personally offended though.

@joey isnt it funny that this began with you citing a study and then when I showed you the study agreed with me you said the study was false, and then when I said almost all the studies are saying it you said all genetic studies that try to determine origin are false? no one is claiming ashkenazi jews are literally southern italians, were our own ethnic group. but were genetically closely related to eachother, whether you like it or not.

@georgia @technolyze
don't you find this recuring 6 million figure to be a bit odd? they always choose the same special numbers like the "40 babies beheaded by hamas" (totally fake)

@yakmacker @georgia @technolyze when you look at the details of the layout of the camps, the capacity that would be needed to gas and incinerate 6 million people or bury them in mass graves, it doens't work out. not even close. the infrastructure wasn't right and the bodies haven't been found. it's the old "gas chambers with wooden doors" thing. totally impractical and not plausible on so many levels.

as far as the records, you're talking about a time when everything was on paper and the records were not that great but at the time estimates of the numbers of people dying in those camps were around 500k not 6m

@meowski @technolyze youre not going to convince me, I actually have read most of nizkor.org. all the "just asking questions" like yours totally fall apart

@technolyze @georgia your problem could be that you still haven't figured out just how much of what you've been taught is fake.

@meowski @technolyze this is just cherry picked sources pinned together to form a false narrative

@georgia @technolyze oh i'm well past just asking questions. i'm totally convinced that the real number is less than 1 million and there were no mass execution gas chambers.

that's not to say that some jews didn't die, or that hitler loved jews or anything. far from it. i'm just not buying the 6 gorillion hoax any more

@georgia @technolyze well let me ask you this, would you at least be open to the idea that it's not *exactly* 6 million jews that died?

@meowski @technolyze you have the right to be wrong, and even to think youre better than me because youre wrong, but youre still wrong

@meowski @georgia @yakmacker https://www.auschwitz.org/en/stop-denial/wooden-doors-in-gas-chambers/#:~:text=%22Murder%20was%20impossible%20because%20the,those%20of%20the%20gas%20chambers. well if wooden doors didn’t work then the excuse the rooms were used to fumigate for bugs is also impossible, the doors weren’t simply wood as well, they were layers of wood, cement like material and lined with felt to seal.

@meowski @technolyze obviously its not exactly that, thats just a very good estimate that mirrors the change in actual population

@technolyze @georgia @yakmacker i really do think they were probably delousinng the prisoners not gassing them to death

@georgia @technolyze when did i say that? come on. just different opinions. we don't have to agree

@meowski @georgia @yakmacker prisoners, aka random Jewish families

@georgia @technolyze found it. i would recommend you all check out this thread on twitter https://x.com/k6kd9d/status/2012624613671415932

@technolyze @georgia @yakmacker among others yes

@meowski @yakmacker @technolyze the dose of gas required to kill lice is much higher than the dose required to kill humans

@georgia @yakmacker @technolyze that doesn't really make sense. not that i'm in favor of spraying people with pesticide but they did some crazy stuff back then. read that twitter thread. there are some major problems with the gas chamber narrative

@meowski @georgia @technolyze no I mean literally the Nazis burned their paper records, because they knew they were going to be prosecuted. As far as I know there is only one document that survived, from a minor outlying camp.

The fact that your trotting out vague, easily disproved arguments is a sign that you've actually done none of your own research, BTW.

@meowski @yakmacker @technolyze how does it not make sense? lice are much more tolerant to most toxins than humans are. why do you think people leave a house when its being fumigated?

@yakmacker @georgia @technolyze i've done enough research to dispute it. you seem very brainwashed, like you're getting upset

@georgia @yakmacker @technolyze pyrethrum shampoo kills them and that doesn't kill a human. i can't exactly speak to zyklon b, but if you shave someone's head, douse them in pesticide and rinse them off in the shower i imagine that should do it.

but yes it's still horrible, i just don't think it was a means of execution

@yakmacker@society.kalli.st @meowski@fluf.club @georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @technolyze@whinge.town Why research when you can cite poor paraphrases of David Irving books that you heard on a podcast with hosts who also didn't read the book?

@meowski @georgia @technolyze I am annoyed that I'm talking to an idiot, yes.

@yakmacker @georgia @technolyze ok if that's what you think then screw off

@meowski @georgia @yakmacker many of the arguments you have pulled out have been full of self evident contracdictions and half truths, on top of your total failure to actually show some sort of valid proof you propose a far reaching conspiracy involving millions of men women and children, two governments, their militaries, intelligence agencies and the Red Cross all keeping a secret because they are bent on destroying muh Whiteman for world Jewry

@technolyze @georgia @yakmacker there's actually a lot of detailed proof laid out in that twitter thread i linked to. i'm not interested in becoming a holohoax scholar. i've seen enough fake and gay propaganda in my life to know when i've seen enough

getting some christian "jews killed jesus" propaganda vibes from this, ngl

@meowski @yakmacker @technolyze zyklon b is an incredibly effective blood agent, the gas binds to the iron in your blood and thereby starves blood cells of oxygen. its not DDT.

@georgia What I cited was a paragraph that questioned the study.

Keep trying hard german.

@georgia @yakmacker @technolyze re zyklon b https://x.com/k6kd9d/status/2039054778479820852

@technolyze @georgia @yakmacker
>red cross
here's what they said

@georgia
> were our own ethnic group
Lol. Desperate for an identity I see. It's a religion. Not a race. I know russians that are jews, Israelis jews and black jews.

@meowski @georgia @yakmacker oh a guy that worked for DuPont for 33 years , sure nothing fishy there they are responsible for mass death events due to their chemical plants through out us history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

@technolyze @georgia @yakmacker it's good that you guys made me go dig up that twitter thread. i wanted to save a few documents from it. i should be better prepared when people start using the 6 gorillion to justify the atrocities of israel, especailly against people who had nothing to do with WW2.

dinner is over now and i will be getting back to my shop work.. toodles

@meowski @georgia @yakmacker they haven’t been used to justify Israel’s atrocities you are just saying that’s happen cause you are backed into a corner, I think the holocaust was bad and the genocide in gaza and the illegal settling of Palestinian land is bad

@joey lmao, ashkenazi jews have no to almost no german admixture, and the study you found but later disavowed shows this, but keep coping and seething so hard for us being distant relatives that you name us after our genociders. its not just one study you'd need to contradict for your purposes, but literally 99 percent of studies that find southern euro roots in ashkenazi jews. ask yourself, why am I so mad at science? why do I want to not be associated with these people so much?

@technolyze @georgia @yakmacker i'm definitely not in a corner. you have provided zero evidence of anything. at least i gave you some reading material.

@meowski @yakmacker @technolyze bro youre gonna need a better source for your flimsy arguments than fucking twitter. theres literally cyanide residue on the walls. I'd ask if youre stupid but you believe a million other stupid things.

@georgia German

@Alex thats silly

@georgia @yakmacker @technolyze that doesn't mean it was a method of execution. don't be nasty. i can't help wake you up if you want to be like that

@meowski @georgia @yakmacker you post a short video statement of a random guy that worked for DuPont from Japanese twitter and then made a false statement of so called “wood doors”

@georgia Question is why are you so desperate to be something other than what you are?

@technolyze @georgia @yakmacker read the whole thread fag

@meowski @georgia @technolyze
>informed by twitter
>proudly ignorant
>doesn't engage with points unless someone else gave them a canned response
>hides antisemitism behind antizionism

@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @joey@stereophonic.space Jews are only spiritually German.

@meowski @georgia @yakmacker the entire thread is two one minute video clips of random dudes going “I don’t think it happen”

@technolyze @georgia @yakmacker you clearly didn't read it

@yakmacker @georgia @technolyze you're too dumb for me to talk to. good bye

my thought process was "call this group of jewish people romans" > "romans killed jesus" > "some christians think jews killed jesus because ???" > "oh this would be a funny post Click Send"

@meowski @yakmacker @technolyze the continued existence of jew haters like holocaust deniers alone justifies the existence of a sovereign jewish state, though not its atrocities obviously. enjoy your fake twitter thread.

@joey isnt it obvious by some of the responses to this very thread?

@georgia @meowski @yakmacker @technolyze

@apollo @joey were both autistic thats true

sorry this was a stupid and unfunny joke

@joey @georgia ashkenazi is definitely a distinct ethnicity. it's an unscientific but nevertheless valid observation that ashkenazim are a visibly distinct people: for example, no one serious would mistake Franz Kafka for german or russian or czech.

@georgia @yakmacker @technolyze this statement is so convoluted and manipulative i don't even know where to start. first of all, denying the foundational myth of the rothschild zionist project doesn't mean anyone hates jews. you know i'm half jewish, right? i'm not in a cult and i'm not drinking your kool-aid and this doesn't mean you get to put me into this bucket. that's a non sequitur so just stop right there.

secondly, if you have a little discernment you can see this pattern in zionist behavior of lies being used to justify political and military actions that would otherwise be indefensible. they do it repeatedly. in reality it justifies nothing it just provides a veneer of legitimacy for the weak minded. one that is quickly dissolving among the general public i would add.

@joey sorry but youre very wrong, its an ethnoreligious group

@meowski @yakmacker @technolyze "I'm half jewish" too bad youre 100% wrong on this and many other issues

@georgia @yakmacker @technolyze you're 100% brainwashed on this. i'm just giving you my assessment. based on evidence i've seen it's grossly exaggerated and a lot of it is completely made up. but go on believing whatever you like, you certainly aren't the only one.

i can't be arsed to care what else you think i'm wrong about

@grips @genmaicha he said why he came up with it. it was to distance jews from the killing of jesus.

At the beginning of COVID I bought in. 100℅. Any Amazon package that showed up to the house was disinfected prior to coming in the house and we didn't leave the house unless absolutely necessary.

It was at about the three month mark when I started noticing some things that didn't add up or make sense. I won't go into all of those incongruencies in this post but they began my process of awakening to the ridiculous nature of the data we were being given. I slowly but surely began seeing through the grift.

One of the hardest parts of this clarity was being in such a small minority of people who were awake. The mass psychosis was so ubiquitous there was no way to counter it in any meaningful way. Rebellion to the system was tantamount to blasphemy and was sometimes met with brutal consequences from law enforcement. So, most of us awake just stayed to ourselves. Today I still see a masker every once in a while.

The lesson I learned was that a scam on a global scale was possible. I began questioning everything. Looking at everything differently. Claims I would have called moon batty just a few years before I instead made room for consideration.

One day someone asked me, why have the jews been expelled from 109 countries and why did Hitler and 40 million countrymen decide to do the same? I was embarrassed that I didn't have a good answer. So, I accepted the challenge of taking their data points and researching them. Could a hoax this large possibly be pulled off? Well, yes. I had just lived through a global hoax. Why shouldn't I give consideration to the idea that the Holocaust was also a hoax. Turns out, not only was the Holocaust a hoax, but the whole reason we were taught in school WWII took place was a lie.

Long point, but yes. Global conspiracies are very possible.

I personally call you Edomites.