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subnetter@shitposter.world
My issue with veganism is that most vegans view consuming meat as a moral failure along with feeling perfectly okay with the exploitation of humans, especially migrant agrilcultural workers.
Some of us had our families slaughtered over bananas.
Some of us had our families slaughtered over bananas.
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@subnetter yeah vegans have a blindspot over things like monocrop agriculture too
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@subnetter
And then there's me who openly tells these kind of people I'd be perfectly fine with killing, butchering and eating them if it mean survival, anything edible is fair game.
And then there's me who openly tells these kind of people I'd be perfectly fine with killing, butchering and eating them if it mean survival, anything edible is fair game.
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@sally it's just a blatantly bourgeoisie ideology contradictory to the circle of life
Not saying animal agrilcultural in the states isn't fucked up but they fail to address the root cause just like other failed feminist movements *cough cough* like Gloria Stienem being propped up by glowies
Not saying animal agrilcultural in the states isn't fucked up but they fail to address the root cause just like other failed feminist movements *cough cough* like Gloria Stienem being propped up by glowies
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Sally (evil)
sally@freesoftwareextremist.com
@georgia @subnetter
It's like the non-violence crowd; they're all from a privileged strata of society that's out of touch with the real state-of-affairs and do not understand nor wish to understand how little sense their moralist bullshit makes.
It's like the non-violence crowd; they're all from a privileged strata of society that's out of touch with the real state-of-affairs and do not understand nor wish to understand how little sense their moralist bullshit makes.
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@subnetter are you aware that livestock needs to eat agriculturally grown food as well? all of the inbred modern breeds cannot even fulfil their caloric needs with the food their feral ancestors consumed any more, they need protein-rich soy beans and such that often require getting shipped in from half-way across the world and to get 1000kcal of beef for example you need 10000kcal of soy
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@subnetter
Reminds me that I've read that book you suggested from Anuradha Ghandy, fully agree with everything written there.
Reminds me that I've read that book you suggested from Anuradha Ghandy, fully agree with everything written there.
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@Critias yes I'm aware but all of these issues ultimately stem from capitalism and its demands for production along with colonialism with predates it
Vegans are largely unorganized members of the bourgeoisie like Billie Ellish, or anorexics like Ariana Grande who use veganism as a way to hide being deliberately skelly.
Meat aside, agricultural workers are largely exploited and vegans do not give a fuck for the most part. All the arguments vegans use for veganism have nothing to do with the fact that humans have been consuming meat for centuries, same with animals consuming other animals. They largely view eating meat as morally wrong or speciesism. They do little for actual ecological conservation efforts or advocacy against modifying seeds.
I've seen vegan mfers blame Indigenous displacement on meat production when like I mentioned before, a civil war lasting nearly 40 years displaced and committed genocide against Maya people. All over bananas.
Vegans are largely unorganized members of the bourgeoisie like Billie Ellish, or anorexics like Ariana Grande who use veganism as a way to hide being deliberately skelly.
Meat aside, agricultural workers are largely exploited and vegans do not give a fuck for the most part. All the arguments vegans use for veganism have nothing to do with the fact that humans have been consuming meat for centuries, same with animals consuming other animals. They largely view eating meat as morally wrong or speciesism. They do little for actual ecological conservation efforts or advocacy against modifying seeds.
I've seen vegan mfers blame Indigenous displacement on meat production when like I mentioned before, a civil war lasting nearly 40 years displaced and committed genocide against Maya people. All over bananas.
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@subnetter @Critias agree for the most part but lacto-vegetarianism has also been practiced for centuries by some south asians, including jains who are incredibly restrictive. theres nothing wrong with taking nonviolence to mean not eating flesh killed for its flesh. "its impossible to consume plants ethically" is not a good argument for not consuming animals unethically. let's make plant consumption more ethical then.
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@subnetter @Critias anarchist vegans probably understand all of these nuances
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@georgia @subnetter buddhist restaurants in china are entirely vegan and some sects in india even practice fruitarianism because they believe non-violence should include plants
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@Critias @subnetter never heard of the latter but shojin ryori in japan is also vegan (and they do eat mushrooms unlike many indian lacto-vegetarians).
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@georgia @subnetter I had met a south indian woman in a restaurant in a buddhist temple in wuhan and she had told me about the wars over the definition of vegetarianism they have in india, but I don't think she mentioned any names
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@subnetter that's such a cop-out though right
fact of the matter is you couldn't have ten billion people eating a diet that isn't almost entirely vegan, people in the global south get a very small percentage of their calories from animal products
besides, do you know why the amazon rainforest is being cut down today? it's to make space to grow even more soy to feed chinese cattle, that's how indigenous people are being displaced today, not because vegans have an inordinate consumption of bananas compared to carnists
fact of the matter is you couldn't have ten billion people eating a diet that isn't almost entirely vegan, people in the global south get a very small percentage of their calories from animal products
besides, do you know why the amazon rainforest is being cut down today? it's to make space to grow even more soy to feed chinese cattle, that's how indigenous people are being displaced today, not because vegans have an inordinate consumption of bananas compared to carnists
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@Critias where do you think my family is from? Did I not give enough context clues?
Just say you aren't familiar with the Guatemalan genocide, or what happened in Nicaragua during COVID when they let civilians starve to put "USDA grown" during meat shortages.
Please do not explain environmental displacement to me, my entire life and my family's has been shaped by it so it's extremely condescending. You know what the root of all these issues are. When is veganism going to liberate us?
Just say you aren't familiar with the Guatemalan genocide, or what happened in Nicaragua during COVID when they let civilians starve to put "USDA grown" during meat shortages.
Please do not explain environmental displacement to me, my entire life and my family's has been shaped by it so it's extremely condescending. You know what the root of all these issues are. When is veganism going to liberate us?
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@subnetter @Critias food that deprives fewer beings of their lives is more ethical usually, and veganism is only novel because the problems with the modern milk and egg industry are so novel. but many jains (an ancient religion) are switching to veganism based on the ancient principle of ahimsa because cow milk is obtained far differently than it was in preindustrial times let alone vedic times. I'm not of the cohort who believes every relationship with animals where something is obtained is exploitation, but dairy farming which involves separation from and killing of calves and forced impregnation definitely is.
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@subnetter @Critias you can't paint the whole political tendency with a broad stroke like that
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@dtluna
I largely view anarchists as a liability and the ones I've encountered where I'm at have largely disrespected Black, brown, and Indigenous activists.
And they all pretty much look the same which goes to show you who they listen to and organize with. It's reflected similarly online as well.
I largely view anarchists as a liability and the ones I've encountered where I'm at have largely disrespected Black, brown, and Indigenous activists.
And they all pretty much look the same which goes to show you who they listen to and organize with. It's reflected similarly online as well.
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@subnetter damn, I'm sorry that you've encountered these racist motherfuckers
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@subnetter @dtluna
> I largely view anarchists as a liability
As an anarchist myself I can confirm this is true.
> I largely view anarchists as a liability
As an anarchist myself I can confirm this is true.
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@dtluna @subnetter @Critias
Nah they're a fucking joke, even more laughing stock than most of the rest of self-proclaimed anarchists.
Nah they're a fucking joke, even more laughing stock than most of the rest of self-proclaimed anarchists.
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that hard r is warm and soft
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