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Dawg what the fuck are my tech influencers doing
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@patchuun @OneRatOneVerySmallTrenchCoat the main thing I dont like about china is their surveillance state. the IP theft is based.
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@patchuun he’s not a tech influencer I lied he’s a journalist at the Wall Street journal
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@georgia @patchuun I think the surveillance state in China is great actually because it’s being used to better humanity because China is the pioneer of progress in the world stage and the only morally just state or as close as we can get
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@georgia @patchuun also cameralism is a thing in literally every state
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@OneRatOneVerySmallTrenchCoat @patchuun sorry but thats nonsense lol. control of people through surveillance is just as bad there as it is here, and is justified with the same reason which is security. and china is far from the most moral state in the world, or they would let Tibetans learn Tibetan. idolize a country like Vietnam instead.
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@georgia @patchuun Vietnam is not a country that is place to upend the world order .
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@georgia @patchuun also yes the surveillance is just as bad as it is here but they’re not obfuscating it under layer layer of bullshit
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@georgia @patchuun if you don’t want to live is amerikkka shit den nightmare world then yeah China is your best bet and is vastly more moral the amerikkkan state
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@OneRatOneVerySmallTrenchCoat @patchuun eh theyre both patriarchies with expansionist agendas but china is more moral yes
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@georgia @patchuun at least one cares about progress also the Chinese “expansionism” is like one thing with the illegitimate republic of China which they have made steps to normalize relations . Chinese foreign policy is like trade deals and propping up independent regimes . Or like brokering a literal ceasefire in Myanmar? At least China seems to care about bombing civilians unlike cia state number 25
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@OneRatOneVerySmallTrenchCoat @georgia @patchuun they don't hide they're doing it but they also don't tell you what the rules are
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@OneRatOneVerySmallTrenchCoat @georgia @patchuun more stuff will get you in trouble than are prohibited by law. I'm not saying america is great but we can realistically assess china independently of that.
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@OneRatOneVerySmallTrenchCoat @patchuun I mean the south china sea and aksai chin not to mention tibet are other examples of expansionism and they did away with one country two systems in hong kong prematurely. none of the great powers have clean records.
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@georgia @patchuun Hong Kong is colonialism so it’s Hitler. The amerikkkans control South China Sea and directly threaten China so yeah no shit they don’t want that. Tibet was a reactionary theocracy . Also the war with India is one of the most low scale conflicts on planet earth because of peacemaking on both sides of the McMahon line
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@sun @georgia @patchuun more censorship in a society that is dedicated to bettering conditions for the people living in it can be a positive thing
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@OneRatOneVerySmallTrenchCoat @patchuun you consider english colonialism in hong kong to be hitlerite but you consider the chinese invasion of tibet good and civilizing. do you not see that the british also thought they were civilizing the places they conquered? Iran is a "reactionary theocracy", should they be conquered by china? the fact is that china invaded tibet, flooded it with Han Chinese immigrants (ethnic flooding is a form of ethnic cleansing), and now prevent Tibetans from teaching other Tibetans Tibetan in school. this is cultural genocide by an occupying power.
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@georgia @patchuun I’m not saying they were on civilizing mission but destroying a country that has serfs in the 1940s is a good thing
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@georgia @patchuun also in a perfect world YES Iran should be conquered by China the entire world should be China we would be all happier!
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@OneRatOneVerySmallTrenchCoat @georgia @patchuun im having these chinese thoughts laytely.... 同志
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@georgia @OneRatOneVerySmallTrenchCoat @patchuun

Is America not a surveillance state? I question a lot of the claims made about China and I'm saying this as someone critical of them.
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@OneRatOneVerySmallTrenchCoat @patchuun would you argue that the french should recolonize mauritania on account of the slavery there? i doubt you would. the arguments people make that it was justified only make me angry because they just amount to calling Tibet barbaric and uncivilized.
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@subnetter @OneRatOneVerySmallTrenchCoat @patchuun all I know is I'm allowed to not have spyware on my computer. for now.
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@georgia @OneRatOneVerySmallTrenchCoat @patchuun that's not even true down to the supply chain level, see Intel management engine and AMD PSP.

And what about Flock? You don't even need to be using a computer to be openly spied on by companies run by the evil gay silicon valley cabal.
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@georgia @patchuun if there was state in occitania that practiced slavery I would argue the French should destroy it and bring into not doing slavery.
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@subnetter @OneRatOneVerySmallTrenchCoat @patchuun my next computer will be ARM for that very reason God permitting. almost all of my computing is on a degoogled lineage phone though
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@OneRatOneVerySmallTrenchCoat @patchuun why can the french only conquer in occitana but china can conquer the whole world? french people are happier than chinese people according to world surveys
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@georgia @patchuun because historically occitania was part of France like Tibet was traditionally part of China or a historical oppressor in China (or the mongols but I’m sure you don’t like that colonialism)
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@OneRatOneVerySmallTrenchCoat @patchuun I think that countries should ideally leave eachother alone unless theyre being humanitarian
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@georgia @patchuun is it not humanitarian to eradicate serfdom
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@OneRatOneVerySmallTrenchCoat @patchuun yes but its not humanitarian to occupy them and commit ethnic flooding
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@OneRatOneVerySmallTrenchCoat @patchuun I mean the same logic could justify so many pointless revanchist wars
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@georgia @patchuun I just think that acting like Tibet wasn’t a borderline fascistic dictatorial regime is bad . And I also think portraying China as expansionist when it hasn’t pursued its revanchist claims since the Cold War is … bad
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@OneRatOneVerySmallTrenchCoat @patchuun if Tibet was fascist then europe in the middle ages was fascist because it was a fuedal theocracy. china still pursues revanchist claims. they have irredentist border disputes with many countries.
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@georgia @patchuun a super reactionary theocracy with feudalism immediately following ww2 is pretty damn fashy yeah
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@georgia @OneRatOneVerySmallTrenchCoat @patchuun yeah but unfortunately it's not escapable in any way anymore. We're already living in a dystopia here, women dont have autonomy over their bodies and the laws are selectively applied depending on class status.
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