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Blurry Moon
sun@shitposter.world
Commie China-fluffers in shambles as glorious China cuts underwater basket weaving to make room for AI STEM degree tracks
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paleo-neo-post-pre-ironic woman 
casinofem@social.xenofem.me
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johnny peligro
mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
@sun i wonder what'll happen to anti-aI people as the world becomes more pro-AI.
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@sun fluffing a fluffy chinese college grad
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johnny peligro
mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
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@mischievoustomato @sun you can get more than one degree, some degrees can just be because you find the subject interesting
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Blurry Moon
sun@shitposter.world
@georgia the situation is a lot different in China than the USA because in the USA you can't actually afford to go to university for enjoyment because it's too expensive, yet it has a wide variety of adult daycare classes. In China they don't pretend it's anything but an employment entrance exam.
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johnny peligro
mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
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johnny peligro
mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
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@mischievoustomato @georgia my position in 2026 is that you can learn more using the internet than at university unless you specifically are going to university because you need the structure and the dedicated time. which, really, isn't a unique proposition that universities provide either, they just do it conveniently.
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@mischievoustomato @georgia @pettanko there used to be tons of articles about "CHINESE GHOST CITIES THEY BUILT BUT NOBODY LIVES IN LOL" fast forward ten years later and they are full of people and thriving, not a peep from the China-haters.
I don't hate China, I like it in a lot of ways, but I am not going to either kiss its ass or criticize it for every single thing.
I don't hate China, I like it in a lot of ways, but I am not going to either kiss its ass or criticize it for every single thing.
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@mischievoustomato @sun a minimum amount of money prevents misery but money alone doesnt create happy people, just distracted people. it creates opportunity for enjoyment but fulfilling experiences require more than money.
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@mischievoustomato @georgia let's say you want to learn ancient languages, they might have a lot more resources on that too than you can gather on your own, but to but truthful about it, that's because they jealously guard their information monopolies instead of making the information free, which should be what they would do if they actually did care about their mission statements of improving world education.
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@sun IDK if is my lack of deep knowlege on ML and AI or just for me being more conservative, but I feel like people are putting too much trust in AI like how they did with crypto before pandemics.
I don't know how to put into english words, but whenever I try or read about AI, I can see it as an amazing tool to help me code faster but I can't see it replacing me
I don't know how to put into english words, but whenever I try or read about AI, I can see it as an amazing tool to help me code faster but I can't see it replacing me
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@kumicota I have mixed feelings because I believe it is both overhyped and underhyped in different ways. it is clear to me now it really is going to change everything. but the commercial hype is such bullshit and the companies are way overvalued and when they collapse they are going to take the economy with it.
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Blurry Moon
sun@shitposter.world
@kumicota also AI is going to be incredibly disruptive, and we are probably going to have to make fundamental changes to the social contract and government as a result, if we don't we are going to have a horrible nightmare.
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Clint Eastwood
Leyonhjelm@shitposter.world
@sun
At this point my opinion is that the main things people get from universities on an educational level is deadlines and no good way to avoid the boring parts of a topic. You might find Dostoyevsky boring and incomprehensible but you still have to deliver a multi-page essay by Thursday and it has to make at least some sense.
@mischievoustomato @georgia
At this point my opinion is that the main things people get from universities on an educational level is deadlines and no good way to avoid the boring parts of a topic. You might find Dostoyevsky boring and incomprehensible but you still have to deliver a multi-page essay by Thursday and it has to make at least some sense.
@mischievoustomato @georgia
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@sun I can see that and the reason I don't see it being that disruptive is not even the tech itself but the costs of it.
You have reports of Uber, MS and more using more than half a billion in token in less than 6 months. Considering that all of AI companies are operating on a loss, I don't see in 1-2 years Claude being cheaper than an cashier or Junior Dev.
But at the same time I can see AI replacing 5 "10x Engineers" for 1 "10x Engineer" with a good prompt knowledge.
Or they being able to use Reinforcement Learning or similar and train the AI on your codebase instead of the entire github and having an smaller coding AI running locally
You have reports of Uber, MS and more using more than half a billion in token in less than 6 months. Considering that all of AI companies are operating on a loss, I don't see in 1-2 years Claude being cheaper than an cashier or Junior Dev.
But at the same time I can see AI replacing 5 "10x Engineers" for 1 "10x Engineer" with a good prompt knowledge.
Or they being able to use Reinforcement Learning or similar and train the AI on your codebase instead of the entire github and having an smaller coding AI running locally
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mangeurdenuage 
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mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
@coolboymew @kumicota @sun
The workfields that machine learning applies the most is information technology and research and it's such a small percentage compared to what is advertised.
The workfields that machine learning applies the most is information technology and research and it's such a small percentage compared to what is advertised.
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@mangeurdenuage @kumicota @sun Pretty much, and even there, you got delusional CEOs who think they're gonna replace helpdesk staff, or are already replacing programmers with low quality Indians that knows jackshit and has no qualms against abusing work material and then there goes millions of tokens in a month, all approved by CEO/Exec who think it's practically magic
What we're gonna quickly get is that shit is gonna start costing a lot more soonish, and then they'll have a completely untrained useless staff
What we're gonna quickly get is that shit is gonna start costing a lot more soonish, and then they'll have a completely untrained useless staff
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mangeurdenuage 🌿
mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
@coolboymew @kumicota @sun
You're right, but you also have to take into account their perspective. And their perspective is that if they can get more money for less services provided.
Of course people will complain, but if it's borderline enough for people to function people will accept it because it happened to everyone at the same time.
It's a gamble, because if they over estimate that the whole logistic chain crumbles and you can see what happened with crowdstrike (which is a different technical/commercial matter but the same concept of hoarding resources).
You're right, but you also have to take into account their perspective. And their perspective is that if they can get more money for less services provided.
Of course people will complain, but if it's borderline enough for people to function people will accept it because it happened to everyone at the same time.
It's a gamble, because if they over estimate that the whole logistic chain crumbles and you can see what happened with crowdstrike (which is a different technical/commercial matter but the same concept of hoarding resources).
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@mangeurdenuage @kumicota @sun No, because the obvious consequences clearly aren't worth it, and they're being swindled by their own shitty business model which is utterly retarded, but nobody is able to see in the future anymore
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mangeurdenuage 🌿
mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
@coolboymew @kumicota @sun
>the obvious consequences clearly aren't worth it,
Yes but some of them in the hierarchy do not care as it's gonna be "someone else's problem".
>and they're being swindled by their own shitty business model which is utterly retarded,
I agree.
>but nobody is able to see in the future anymore
There are a lot of people involved, a lot or retarded and/or malicious or are getting abused by retarded and/or malicious people.It's a whole chain of people and there's no definitive single man that is responsible for this.
>the obvious consequences clearly aren't worth it,
Yes but some of them in the hierarchy do not care as it's gonna be "someone else's problem".
>and they're being swindled by their own shitty business model which is utterly retarded,
I agree.
>but nobody is able to see in the future anymore
There are a lot of people involved, a lot or retarded and/or malicious or are getting abused by retarded and/or malicious people.It's a whole chain of people and there's no definitive single man that is responsible for this.
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@mangeurdenuage @coolboymew @sun
Classification and detection is also pretty good, I'm working on the medical field as programmer right now, we have an small ML team that works with image classification and they built an in-house AI to create analysis like the one of the pic(it's a random from google) and the AI works pretty good but it's not an LLM and the user still has to review the analysis
Classification and detection is also pretty good, I'm working on the medical field as programmer right now, we have an small ML team that works with image classification and they built an in-house AI to create analysis like the one of the pic(it's a random from google) and the AI works pretty good but it's not an LLM and the user still has to review the analysis
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@sun @georgia @mischievoustomato This was alwaya true in the case of CS, I'd say stuff like proper engineering, uni is probably useful
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Blurry Moon
sun@shitposter.world
@meeper @georgia @mischievoustomato yeah you're right, I didn't properly qualify I mean "topic I am interested in" rather than "specialized difficult profession" like engineering or law
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johnny peligro
mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
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