At the end of the day the truth is most vegans believe that eating meat is inherently wrong, which is why most of them are anti-Indigenous but nobody is ready to have that conversation.

The # of vegans who lie, and pretend to not have an issue with native people sustainably hunting is hilarious, because all of their arguments demonstrate that it's never truly been about labor exploitation. It's about moral superiority and delusion.

@subnetter@shitposter.world liberalism

@subnetter we made meat from the hips (cadera) the other day over here, it was tasty. We had chorizo burgers with homemade fries (we have an air fryer) and fried eggs. Was nice, we also watched NCIS.

@mischievoustomato @subnetter basado

@genmaicha @subnetter y rojopastillado

@mischievoustomato @genmaicha ropavieja is a good cuban dish

@subnetter @genmaicha i uh dont know anything about cuba beyond it being in bo1 and communist

@mischievoustomato @subnetter there are a lot of cubans in florida and they have good food

@genmaicha @subnetter my country got some cuban people. some celebrity guy also got a gorgeous cuban woman, and the retard beat her up.

@genmaicha @mischievoustomato Portos bakery in California is always packed and it is 100% worth it

@subnetter @genmaicha idk if I'll be in California but i GOTTA LOSE WEIGHT

@mischievoustomato @subnetter have this then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moros_y_Cristianos_(dish)

@mischievoustomato @genmaicha because all you do is jerk off all day and post here, what's new?

@mischievoustomato @subnetter @genmaicha just adjust ur diet. Most fat is due to eating too much of certain foods. Mostly high fiber or high calorie gluten like wheat and breed products, especially pasta.

Go mostly lean stuff like meat and eggs. Get you veggies in there like peppers, onions tomatoes (not paste or canned sauce). Cheese not bad but milks better. Lean bacon is good too. You can have some fiber, but stick to keeping that low, it's mostly just to make you not shit a hard brick from all the protein.

@genmaicha @subnetter eh...

@subnetter @genmaicha I've started dieting and have been doing exercises too. squats and lifting. i have osteoporosis so i gotta make my leg muscles stronger. I've also been studying, and it seems i do better, i got very high grades recently. gotta save one class though, only 8/40 passed ha

@Azur_Fenix @subnetter @genmaicha I'm also poor so i try to reduce the unhealthy stuff i eat. little by little

@mischievoustomato @Azur_Fenix @subnetter if you want cheap healthy food then beans, whole grains, and vegetables are a good combo. some people like lentils too

@genmaicha @Azur_Fenix @subnetter we eat lentils, chicken, eggs, rice. mum doesn't have rice
oh, but today we made arroz chaufa

@mischievoustomato @subnetter @genmaicha don't be afraid of fat foods tho. Some fat is good for you. Mostly eggs is the wonder food. Eggs and beans.

@genmaicha @subnetter @mischievoustomato just make sure to avoid all seed oils or products. Almonds, the actual nutt and peanuts or peanut butter are fine in my experience so long as it's not the oil.

@Azur_Fenix @subnetter @genmaicha sneed oils are cheap :(

@mischievoustomato @genmaicha keep it up then :)

@subnetter @genmaicha i am! it's a bit hard since I'm outta shape but i power through. its the best i can do since healthcare shit requires money. little by little

@mischievoustomato @subnetter @genmaicha that looks good. What kinda rice? Jasmin is probably the best I've found. Black rice too.

The worst being white or brown rice.

Heard of red natural rice but never seen it. Think it's like only found in India.

@Azur_Fenix @subnetter @genmaicha idk in english but it's "arrocillo" roughly "little rice"

@Azur_Fenix @genmaicha @subnetter oh, its white rice basically, but its a dish made with soy sauce, hotdogs or chicken, egg omelette and green onion

@subnetter I don't see how this was ever in question, to be vegan is to be morally opposed to eating meat or using animals for labor or their products. can't square that circle. they absolutely are going to be opposed to indigenous hunting practices.

@sun they often lie about it though and pretend they make passes for our practices when they in reality do not, per their own logic and reasoning.

I'm just over people imposing their religious bullshit and ideologies on our pueblos.

@subnetter one time I saw a PETA guy on tv talking about Canadian indigenous hunting whales and the indigenous guy said we historically have killed whales and the PETA guy said as white people we've historically killed Indians

@sun @subnetter Indigenous? Killing whales? How?
Except the beached ones I don't see how they could. Did they ever invent boats? Harpoons?

@Mark @subnetter in the modern era they use powerboats and high powered harpoon guns so the PETA guy kind of had a point that there's a big disconnect between the historical whale hunting and current whale hunting.

@Mark @subnetter I don't really care though they can hunt whales

@sun @Mark that's just wild NGL but I am not surprised

@Mark @sun my abuelo used harpoons but not the modern kind

@subnetter @Mark that's metal as fuck

@sun @subnetter jeffcliff energy

@subnetter @sun white liberal veganism is functionally very different from moral veganism

@sun @subnetter https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/margaret-robinson-veganism-and-mi-kmaw-legends I think this was an interesting read on the subject from a Mi'kmaq lens. This copy of the essay has a few typos iirc but I think that's just an issue with this scan or whatever? Apologies in advance for that.

@subnetter I am opposed to indigenous so called culture, yes

@Critias

Another racist white trans person on fedi? Color me shocked.

mfers on xennofemme never beating the allegations lmao

@subnetter Killing animals for food is inherently exploitative and therefore morally repugnant regardless of the identity of the perpetrator.

@Mahimiko

You must have brainworms because you are truly delusional if you believe no animals die to grow produce or to make space for farmland.

@Mahimiko @subnetter you're a fucking pussy i'd beat you to death and eat your flesh if it came to it

@Starlight @sun

I think this was an interesting read on the subject from a Mi'kmaq lens.

I wonder if this person is a pretendian. If I ask Mi'kmaw people I know, will they recognize this person? I don't know why normies love trusting academics who claim to be native. Claiming a contemporary term like 2 spirit is a red flag.

Secondly, Indigenous people aren't a monolith. It's so insane to me that so many people completely disregard the distinct practices of several cultures in order to satisfy their own narratives.

People can be weenies all they want about the circle of life and how humans have primarily lived for millennia as omnivores, but at the end of the day Indigenous people are not causing overconsumption and deforestation.

@subnetter But that doubles for consuming meat. Farmed animals require crops for feeding, so that's the animal killed for meat plus the animals killed or displaced for crops. It also kills more animals for crops per calorie than would consuming the crops directly, since the energy absorbed from meat is a fraction of the input.

The same goes for hunting game. Hunting is not sustainable at scale and still kills more animal per calorie than farming would. The fact also still stands that hunting murders an animal each time when that caloric and nutritional demand could also be met with crops at a relatively flat animal sacrifice.

Appeal to "indigenous culture" is idiotic identity politics that would be called out for being the retarded boomer argument that it is in any other context.

@Mahimiko

Just get out of my mentions already, you're over here talking about contemporary farming practices as if it applies here. You have no idea how our animals are raised or cultivated in our pueblos.

Just because your belief system isn't rooted in reality, doesn't mean mine isn't. You just admitted that animals die regardless. You are pumping bullshit metrics on hunting when you don't know shit, you don't know the biodiversity of any land you're speaking about.

It's not an appeal to identity politics, because eating meat is not inherently wrong, and Indigenous practices are not causing the majority of deforestation and resource consumption. If you're residing in any part of the west that is on you, you benefit from that shit. You benefit when Andean people struggle to get access to quinoa because of the increased western demand. You are not free from being exploitative because you are vegan. You benefit from genocide every single day, and you have the audacity to say this is an appeal to IDPOL.

You are not serious people and I can't wait when settlers get what they have coming.

@subnetter @Mahimiko Killing animals for food is inherently based and good

@subnetter Have you encountered that weird subspecies of vegan that's anti-predation in general and wants to get all wild carnivores eating fake meat

@Mahimiko @subnetter

I'd be more than willing to kill a fellow human being for my own survival, what makes you think I wouldn't kill an animal to feed off it? You bunch can only aspire to be food for the likes of me when shit hits the fan, just wait.

@freakshow @subnetter @sun

Not really.

@scathach I honestly try to avoid these people at all costs, they are not serious people so I do not entertain them. I also know many former native vegans who were shamed for participating in sweat lodges and other practices. I mean, there's an entire industry built off peddling plastic as ethical "vegan leather" when thrifted leather can be purchased.

When I ask people about the personal advocacy in their lives, I'm not asking about whether or not someone donated to a cause to make themselves feel better. And yet, these people subscribe to an entire ideology where they can absolve themselves of personal responsibility towards the earth because "meat is murder" and they shop at whole foods. It reminds me of choice feminism and liberal feminism.

Ironically enough, they also forget that many cultures also view plants as living beings that also deserve respect.

@subnetter @sun Do you expect every Mi'kmaq person to know every other Mi'kmaq person? You yourself admit Indigenous people aren't a monolith immediately after opening with doubting the validity of this person's identity because maybe some theoretical Mi'kmaq may not have personally heard of her. You're completely disregarding the text to immediately attempt to claim this person isn't a real native.

Nowhere did I claim I was treating Indigenous people as a monolith, either, nor do I recall that being implied anywhere in this text. As I stated, this is presented from a Mi'kmaq lens, and I brought it up because it talks about the issue Sun was mentioning. There is a massive disconnect between traditional hunting practices and the modern meat industry. That is what this article is about, and that is what I was responding to.

@Starlight @sun if you are actually familiar with the history of Canada, fake bands such as the Qualipu, and consider the fact that this person themselves admits that their Veganism is a contemporary practice, then you wouldn't be surprised I am absolutely going to question their legitimacy.

Pretendianism is a huge issue in Canada and America, various academics have taken up space and misrepresented themselves as Indigenous and done irreversible harm. So no, I have zero issue with questioning it. And yes, our communities, pueblos, and bands are tight knit enough to sniff bullshit like this out because , surprise surprise we all know each other. You wouldn't understand. If I'm proven incorrect, I'll apologize but nothing in that article necessarily contradicts anything I've stated.

@subnetter @sun No true Scotsman is a vegan, got it.

@Starlight @sun reading comprehension helps, it's stated in the article itself.

A couple outliers being vegan doesn't mean that veganism has a right to be imposed onto others, especially towards tribes who rely on it due to food insecurity.

I really hope your lens into Indigeniety isn't limited to reading articles on the anarchist library, because I see vegans circulating the same articles by the same academics as if it's a gotcha.

@subnetter @sun You're making a lot of assumptions about me and my beliefs because I posted an article you disagree with.

@Starlight @sun

I don't need to make assumptions when you're on an instance full of racist transfemmes who are unwilling to STFU and learn on topics they know nothing about.

@subnetter @sun no offense but someone on shitposter world accusing someone else of being on a racist instance is sending me, thanks for the laugh

@subnetter Aren't they pretty open in their fanaticism of "killing any animal for any reason is evil and you should die if you do"?

@subnetter if this is a subpost of me you could've responded to my actual points instead of saying I'm anti-indigenous but hiding it in a subpost. ive told you that my ideology isnt western veganism, its ahimsa, and that I view sustainably living off of the land anywhere as less harmful to the earth than western veganism and therefore preferable. however, I explained that there is not enough meat in the wild for the current taste for meat to be satisfied for everyone, and that species would go extinct. so the average person must also eat less meat. I also said that the spiritual harm from harming another conscious creature in hunting is erased by showing proper reverence, as indigenous peoples originally did. you addressed none of this. my concern is not with choice, but with dharma and karma.

@georgia I was speaking in generalizations based off what several gross commenters from xennofemme said, I've not responded to you because I'm busy and I have enough respect to give you a proper response when I have the time

Sorry if that's the impression I gave

@subnetter oh thats fair take your time :)