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its fucked up that they call making people miserable for money reasons "austerity"
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@georgia isn’t it only fucked up because there’s always money printing for other shit
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@sun in practice that's how it seems to go
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@georgia I think taxes should help people but governments shouldn’t print money
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@sun money printing is okay when its being done sensibly imo. its usually done mostly to make war though
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@georgia I agree in theory, I think now though like Islamic banking is the only way to be sure
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@sun how exactly does interest free banking work
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@georgia I couldn’t explain it better than Wikipedia, there are some loopholes but it’s pretty sensible
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@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @sun@shitposter.world please pay 15% fee for dis loan. It's due in 90 days habibibi.
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@georgia @sun they mark it as fees instead of interest

no such thing as compounding fees so it's not haram
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whenever a State prints money, all the other money in existence is devalued. It's theft from everybody. It's the top reason for inflation and it shouldn't exist. It shouldn't have to be this way.
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@hakui @georgia kind of crazy how much monetary policy is "this is useful if applied carefully but has devastating consequences if deliberately mishandled for evil reasons, also every society in history when given the tool has misused it for evil but we're doing it anyway"
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@hfaust @georgia @sun the change from interest to fees makes all the difference though

if you lend to someone for their business venture you can harvest interest off them forever if the venture fails as you're a creditor

if it's fees you don't get anything back if it fails since you're putting the money in as a joint partner
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@hfaust @georgia @sun basically you can actually lose your principal if the loan goes bad, unlike in usury where the debtor still has to pay you back on top of losing everything
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@hfaust @hakui @georgia it's kind of the opposite, it's what you expect not the evil scumbag version that most of the world runs on
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