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How tf is the 5090 going out of production making lower end gpus more expensive
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@snacks supply shrinks while demand stays the same
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@snacks Pushing market demand even higher for the lower end cards to match the performance of the 5090. I suspect it is just another JensenWay™ of creating another price standard for lower end GPUs.
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All my niggas are law of diminishing marginal utility pilled
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@lain bugatti chirons aren't really the same class of goods as polos. That gpu was like 8x more expensive than other gpus that went up
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@lain if the ice cream store stops selling cones with 24k gold sprinkles that doesnct decrease supply of regular ones
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@snacks a 5090 is not some pie-in-the-sky gilded, virgin plucked, pure-signaling gpu. it's a normal fast gpu. everyone wants fast gpus some now, and some are for both gaming and AI and some are AI only. they take the one thing away that's right at the border and push it purely towards AI use. that should make the average GPU in the gaming sphere more expensive. that seems logical to me.
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Yeah it's fast but for most compute and gaming purposes anything 4070 super and above is perfectly reasonable, and if you want more vram for ai tasks then get a gb10 or the amd equivalent or a mac studio
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@lain @snacks 5090 is for virgins 5060 to is peak thought
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@lain so, youcre trying to tell me that enough gamers wanted to buy a 6-8k gpu that that one going away is massively disrupting supply and demand
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@snacks @lain It it also still cheaper to buy multiple 5080 than the $16K RTX 6000. A 5090 was a middle ground between the two brackets, and that bracket is now gone so people that wanted to use a 5090 for workstations, like video editing or home ML stuff now buy (and will buy even more) lower class GPUs.
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@snacks @lain 5090s are basically gaming GPUs in name only. They are really workstation cards.
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@snacks @lain it pushes them to buy the next tiers lower, sometimes in greater quantity to reach the original target they were trying to get to with the 5090
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@phnt @lain lain just wanted to convince me of the opposite but we
Ig the chinese are now putting together supercomputers with even weirder shit
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@snacks @lain The Chinese are now making training clusters with their own GPUs anyway. They don't care that they are 1/3 slower, they throw 33% more at the problem.
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@phnt @lain then who is putting together massive clusters with gaming gpus? Or is there just barely any supply at all
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>Or is there just barely any supply at all
There is barely any supply at all and the 5090 and RTX 6000 chips are the same die.
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@phnt @lain i know, but what does that have to do with the current situation?
Also, we've been told the prices are due to ram i think :^)
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@phnt @lain nvidia should bring back thermi. Gaming gpus so inefficient no one would dare touch them for anything productive
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@lain @phnt just put a trillion more pipeline stages and clock the shit out of them
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@snacks @lain There is demand for RTX 6000s and they can have higher margin on them (already very likely do, since they are 1st party only), so stopping production of 5090s, turning them into 6000s instead and selling them at higher price is pure capitalism at display. And as a bonus you can push prices higher in the lower due to the market void left by stopping the production where there is no direct replacement (from AMD). The 6000 having more memory is only a part of this. Now when someone wants a workstation card, they can say "buy RTX 6000, or if you are too poor buy multiple of lower end ones". Increasing demand for both brackets (some will spend more on the 6000, some will be satisfied with lower performance and spend more anyway).
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@phnt @lain if nvidia was actually selling a good chunk of their workstation does as gaming gous, to the point it was a sizable portion of the market, that would'e been kinda whack i think.
At this point i wouldn't be surprised if everyone's just trying to squeeze more margin any time there's bad news
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@phnt @lain amd cards 2 tiers below the 5090 jumped by 25% too. Apparently nvidia was selling so many 5090s buyers have to shop around that much lower
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