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"women should be drafted too!!!" he types on his alienware laptop in his airconditioned mother's basement with stubby, cheeto dusted fingers.
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men who haven't fought a day in their life will talk about how female privilege is not going to war. it's a bit funny how little complaints of this sort were made in times and places where men actually were drafted into horrendous conflicts and subjected to all manner of manmade and natural indignities. of course, most men are not drafted, and many aren't subject to draft at all, including those unfit for war, and measured up to male standards very few healthy women are fit, and combined with then-contemporary attitudes that women ought to have children they're caring for (something people who decry female privilege tend to agree with) it just seemed self evident to them that it was grievous misappropriation of resources in wartime to draft women. "they send their women and children to war" was an ancient accusation made with horror and an insinuation of moral depravity kindred to accusations of killing infant children by exposure. the natural conclusion of this is that "women should be drafted too" is a vindictive statement made not out spite that some men are drafted and all women aren't, but that all women benefit from a relatively novel socio-legal consensus of equality of the sexes while still enjoying freedom from a hypothetical future draft. of course, the draft is a barbaric thing. no one ought to be drafted. and that's what they ought to be saying.
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i should note that the equal rights (according to sex) amendment to the constitution, which enjoyed widespread support for a brief time, was killed by a woman, not a man, because she said it would lead to women being drafted. fuck her.
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@izaya @shmibs makes sense, their military is a giant indoctrination system. militaries in general are excellent at fostering a sense of national unity. and north korea tells their citizens the world is a dangerous place that hates them, and they need to maintain a war-is-peace illusion of constant national threat. also, perhaps most importantly, they know they won't be in any real conflicts except in an absolute worst case.
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@why free on youtube due to its rights being mangled somehow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1uvgx3NUR0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1uvgx3NUR0
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@nerthos @shmibs teenage boys are the same but the culture was more different than you appreciate, boys and girls inhabited entirely different worlds. i can imagine a boy feeling it's unfair his sister doesn't have to go to war, but you strongly underestimate powerful social norms. most people didn't question the different roles of the sexes, and for a period of time women were considered to have comically fragile constitutions to the extent of fainting with a strong feeling. you overestimate the amount of minds that would go from "it's unfair this is happening to me" to "this should happen to (class of citizens considered to be practically a different species that should be protected).
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@nerthos @Duine @Moon you're cherry picking from news stories and ignoring statistics. how many female serial killers committed barbarism remotely similar to ed gein, bundy, vlad the impaler, etc etc etc. there are all female units and they don't suffer those problems, you're speaking from your own emotion and calling it logic.
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@roboneko @Duine @Moon @nerthos @rlier23 female on male domestic violence exists but by its nature causes less morbidity and mortality, because men are significantly stronger, so it's much less of a public health threat. very few women kill partners, whereas women are more likely to be killed by an intimate partner than anyone else. anyway, i don't really care enough to keep this thread going.
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@roboneko @Duine @Moon @nerthos @rlier23 i don't think men are more evil than women, just more sexually depraved and aggressive. those have biological explanations though, and to me evil goes below biology. men commit more criminal acts for sure, but they also take more risks, and crimes are risks. i believe evil is what's in the heart. you read it as more evil, which is why you became defensive. anyway it really doesn't matter.
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@orekix @Duine @Moon @nerthos @rlier23 @roboneko that was in my first draft of the post you replied to but i cut it out. i guess it's simple to explain, Y barely has any genes so the effect of the one X gene men get is magnified, for good or ill. add testosterone which causes greater ambition and also greater aggression.
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@orekix @1iceloops123 the point of that is that women should be a part of a revolution, not drafted into war. one is voluntary.
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@1iceloops123 @orekix in my opinion killed draftees are victims of murder by their government.
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@orekix @1iceloops123 it for sure is a war. and feminists say women should be in the militarily voluntarily. not drafted.
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@orekix @1iceloops123 win? i don't think anyone is calling for a literal sex war, that would be ridiculous.
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@orekix @1iceloops123 oh i thought you meant feminism, which is why i didn't know what you meant by win. and i'm still not sure i get you. are you saying feminists say that revolutions that don't compel women won't succeed? are you really that disingenuous? feminists insist revolutions won't succeed without women not merely in the immediate military sense, in trenches with the men, that's not what it's about at all. if a revolution is a war, we must include all the facets of warfare. more american civilians fought in the war in this sense than soldiers. literally just use that. world war two wouldn't have been won without home front support, without women working "mens" jobs, shoring up morale, conserving materials. distributing propaganda. revolution won't succeed without women does not mean women should be forced to combat roles, and i'm sort of disappointed you'd make such a bad faith "point".
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@MischievousTomato oh man that would be epic, i hope that becomes the most cost effective mode of warfare soon.
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@orekix @1iceloops123 i don't know if YPG drafts though. but good point. in asymmetrical and/or unconventional warfare the support of women is very useful. of course, i still believe the draft is immoral.
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@roboneko @Duine @Moon @nerthos @orekix @rlier23 we are describing the same thing. males are more disposable because a mans role in reproduction is very easy, while women carry the burden of reproduction. because women women carry the burden of reproduction, they are choosy about mates, and males need to compete for them.
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@roboneko @Duine @Moon @nerthos @orekix @rlier23 sure when discussed it also encompasses the investment in being the primary caregiver, but that's an extension of expending the most resources, and wanting a return on the fruit of their labor. the burden itself is all rooted in anisogamy, particularly oogamy. as for a hypothetical legal requirement, i strongly believe men would simply get vasectomies and continue behaving as they were until the population dropped precipitously and laws were reversed. or alternatively, men would simply refuse, and women wouldn't just let the baby die, because they expended the most resources in making it. it could never work.
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