There is a new ceasefire deal on the table, in exchange for #Hamas returning their hostages. What will the #CeasefireNow homies say about #Hamas refusing to accept a ceasefire proposed by the #UN and #USA? Or maybe ceasefires are only good if #Hamas likes them.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-news-06-11-2024-d3733d55c6a66222da1a4a051997094c

Edit: Correction as #Hamas accepted the deal thirty minutes ago and is negotiating their surrender, per #Reuters

https://mastodon.online/@gee8sh/112598235492306514

Another correction as the #USA has yet to receive the formal approval of the deal from #Hamas, per #TheGuardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/11/antony-blinken-hamas-signoff-needed-gaza-ceasefire-resolution

@lucy The fact that we still have #Hamas apologists out here shouldn't surprise me, especially considering how well appeals to emotion work on a lot of people, but they still kinda do.

@NoBeret IDK. There's a reasonable chance that #Hamas' acceptance was fake, they've played chicken with ceasefire deals before

@realcaseyrollins @NoBeret

There's no ceasefire.

Hamas uses residential areas, hospitals and schools, like human shields. They used to think the Israeli's won't attack them there, but after that last raid it's pretty clear that everyone who aids Hamas is considered a combatant.

Biden (Obama) hasn't done anything right his entire term, why would he start now?

@truthbait @NoBeret #Reuters heavily insinuated that the deal includes #Hamas' surrender:

> Hamas accepts a U.N. resolution backing a plan to end the war with Israel in Gaza and is ready to negotiate details

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/blinken-says-hamas-signal-support-un-backed-gaza-truce-deal-is-hopeful-sign-2024-06-11/

@lucy

> im not supporting either "side" just pointing out the hypocrisy of israel calling for a ceasefire just now

I could be wrong but hasn't #Israel always offerred a ceasefire if #Hamas returned the hostages and surrendered? Pretending that #Israel invaded #Gaza just because they're meanie meanie racists makes you look kinda silly.

> israel for their invasion and consequential genocide

ahaha not the genocide conspiracy theory lol

@magicalthinking @NoBeret This deal would likely include #Hamas' surrender though

@truthbait @NoBeret Agreed. Mowing The Lawn hasn't worked.

@realcaseyrollins @NoBeret

This time next year there will be no more Hamas.

@magicalthinking @NoBeret By this time next month there might not be any more #Hamas lol

Update number 4 on this story, looks like #Israel is officially on board with the ceasefire deal, per the #BelfastTelegraph:

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/video-news/un-security-council-adopts-ceasefire-resolution-aimed-at-ending-israel-hamas-war/a859078288.html

@lucy

> what conspiracy? it's what they've been doing for ages.

Maybe they've been doing it for ages, I still need to do research of that end, but I'm talking about the conspiracy theory that the way that the #IDF responded to the declaration of the #IsraelHamasWar constitutes a genocide.

@realcaseyrollins @NoBeret

It's revealing that none of the neighboring countries want anything to do with this fight.

@magicalthinking @NoBeret They understand that #Hamas is reckless and radical in a way that is unproductive to anybody in the region

@NoBeret @realcaseyrollins

is a combatant.

@magicalthinking @NoBeret They're not combatants, they're basically hostages. #Hamas has reportedly constantly kept Palestinians from fleeing #IDF targets so that they die, the scenario here is likely very similar.

Per international law, those civilian deaths are on #Hamas' hands.

@realcaseyrollins @NoBeret

In 2024, after all the enlightenment of the modern age, we are still at war over the levant.

@lucy None of that happened during the #IsraelHamasWar lol

@NoBeret @magicalthinking The "they" in that scenario was the militants, not the civilians

@lucy allegedly lol but yes, I knew you were changing the subject there

I'm surprised you didn't try to make the case that the #IDF has been perpetuating a genocide in #Gaza during the #IsraelHamasWar at least, most #Palestine supporters are willing to at least attempt that

@realcaseyrollins @NoBeret

We are funding wars all over the globe, Ukraine, Africa, Israel...
Are we not combatants as well?

@lucy based

@magicalthinking @NoBeret We're not combatants, but we're complicit

@lucy Eh

I generally don't like the state of #Israel but I do support their right to exist (within bounds, like they shouldn't be encroaching into the #WestBank just because Palestinians don't have formal armed forces there) so I think that makes me a Zionist

@lucy It'd be more cringe of me to hold positions that don't make sense or I don't believe in because they're popular lol

@lucy More cringe then thinking that history started in 1947? Nah homie I think not lol

@lucy The people who think that all of the Palestinian land belongs to the Arabs because they were "there first"

@lucy Context shouldn't be ignored entirely, but either all history matters, or none of it does. Ancestral claims to land are stupid, but if we're going to use the "well we were here first argument", then the land should go to either the Canaanites or the Jews

For me personally, states should just keep the land that they have and not use war to get more. Which is why I think #Israel should stay out of the #WestBank, they are essentially stealing Palestinian land in that particular case.

@nicholas @lucy brodie thinks there's an Israeli ethnostate lol

@lucy Explain your position here? Your point is not clear.

@sun @magicalthinking @NoBeret Screw the hard right over there lol they're literally blood thirst maniacs

As much as I hate #Hamas I tried listening to hard right talk radio from #Israel but was disgusted by what I heard. They literally want to murder all Palestinians.

@lucy @chjara @nicholas it doesn't exist but sure, chjara is cool

@maija @magicalthinking @NoBeret C'mon man, don't make me laugh at work 😂

You think the Intifadas and the #Nakba were good for the Palestianians??

@sun @magicalthinking @NoBeret You might be right to a point but #Israel agreed to the deal, so...they must be okay with the war ending at least to some extent

@sun @magicalthinking @NoBeret We will see. In all honesty, so long as Palestinians continue to exist in #Gaza, there will probably be violence there against Jews. It is likely that after #Hamas is gone, Palestinians create another radicalized group there that does the same thing, and #Netanyahu probably knows this.

At the same time, the people there should have at the very least the opportunity to use peace rather than violence.

@maija @magicalthinking @NoBeret Losing a war isn't the same as being genocided lol

How come as soon as a conflict has to do with Jews people's brains break lol

@maija @magicalthinking @NoBeret Hmm okay I need to dig into the details of how the #Nakba was conducted then. I'm still wayyyyy back further than that in my research on this topic.

But I don't think that responding to violence against you constitutes genocide, in most cases

@maija @magicalthinking @NoBeret

> jews invaded palestine.

At what point would you say that Jews began "invading" #Palestine? I'll make a note to look out for evidence to that end in my research.

@maija @magicalthinking @NoBeret Late 1800s, interesting. I'm not too far from there in my research.

Just wondering because I do know that Jews started migrating back to #Palestine in 1808 and there didn't seem to be any major issues by the mid 1800s

@NoBeret @magicalthinking Why

@NoBeret @magicalthinking lol

I think "who was there first" is a stupid argument even though I think we all can agree that #Palestine is the ancestral homeland of the Jews. The point of my research is to make up my own mind about the legitimacy of the establishment of the modern state of #Israel.

@NoBeret @magicalthinking who

So this deal was etched by the #UNSC yesterday:
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/06/1150886

The deal has three phases to end the #IsraelHamasWar:

1. Exchange all female hostages and wounded Jews for some Palestinian prisoners, temporary ceasefire

2. Return of all remaining hostages, permanent ceasefire, #IDF withdraws all troops

3. Reconstruction in #Gaza (not sure what this means)

I generally am not a fan of #Israel exchanging violent Palestinian prisoners for some hostages, but if it will result in all of #Hamas' hostages being returned and the #IsraelHamasWar ending, I think it's probably worth it.

@NoBeret Why?

@Plutonium_Pity A permanent one, it seems

@Electronwarrior Before #Hamas does? 🤭

But in all seriousness, I think whatever "reconstruction in #Gaza" is supposed to mean will be key. If #Hamas is allowed to remain and acts up, of course the #IDF will respond, and rightfully so.

@nicholas @lucy Is this your ethnostate sir? 😂

Two more updates:

1. #Hamas asked #Egypt and #Qatar for some concessions in #UNSC's deal, per #AhramOnline:

https://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/1234/525349/Egypt/Foreign-Affairs/Egypt,-Qatar-receive-Hamas-response-to-US-ceasefir.aspx

2. #SkyNews is insinuating that #BibiNetanyahu did not in fact agree to #UNSC's terms yet:

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-hamas-gaza-latest-ceasefire-biden-announcement-sky-news-live-blog-12978800

The longer this develops, the more that it seems like this "deal" is paper thin and is doomed to fall apart.

@nicholas @lucy lol of course not

Update from #SCMP, the concessions #Hamas is asking for reportedly include a revised timeline for the end of the war:

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/middle-east/article/3266224/israel-gaza-war-hamas-responds-ceasefire-plan-new-timeline-insiders-say?module=World&pgtype=section

Another update! The #USA has received #Hamas' counter-offer and are currently evaluating it. Per #Barrons:

https://www.barrons.com/news/us-evaluating-hamas-response-to-gaza-truce-plan-white-house-128df6b4

NEW UPDATE: #Israel claims that #Hamas rejects core tenets of the #UNSC's proposal to end the #IsraelHamasWar. Via #MiddleEastMonitor:

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240612-israel-says-hamas-rejects-key-elements-of-us-ceasefire-plan-for-gaza/

Per #CNN, #AntonyBlinken has confirmed that #Hamas wanted to change the #UNSC's proposal to end the #IsraelHamasWar substantially, offering the scathing remark "Hamas could have answered with a single word – yes"

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-06-12-24-intl/index.html

Looking forward to a full quote or video of the press conference that was held in #Qatar, #CNN's reporting here seems quite brief and truncated.

Edit: Found the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4wXhcjo0Rs

@NoBeret I am not familiar with this, I'm only 24 years old lol

MASSIVE UPDATE: The #UNSC deal to end the #IsraelHamasWar is generally being considered dead in the water, with negotiators blaming #Egypt for changing the deal's terms when passing them along to #Hamas

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/21/politics/sources-say-they-were-duped-by-egypt-changing-ceasefire-terms-for-hamas/index.html

Correction: this article is old and doesn't apply to the current situation

Listening to #AntonyBlinken's press conference in #Qatar now, at 14:21 he actually says "We are determined in the coming days to, again, try to work this [out]", so the #USA is actively planning to continue to negotiate with #Hamas on this.

Two updates:

1. #Hamas is demanding an immediate ceasefire, per #Euronews

https://www.euronews.com/2024/06/12/hamas-demands-complete-halt-to-war-in-response-to-gaza-ceasefire-proposal

2. #OsamaHamdan, a #Hamas representative, blamed #Israel for the deal falling apart in an appearance on #AlArabyTV

https://breakingthenews.net/Article/Hamas-denies-it-proposed-changes-to-ceasefire-deal/62208293

We have an exclusive update from #AlMajallah: One change #Hamas wanted to make to the #UNSC's deal to end the #IsraelHamasWar was to have #Gaza and #Rafah permanently opened up to border nations, with drastically fewer restrictions than are presently in place.

https://x.com/LiveSquawk/status/1800948186409775606