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tibetan buddhism is the best buddhism and rigpa and tummo are the best things to emerge from it in my humble opinion
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@georgia it seems kinda creepy, but then again so does buddhism writ large as well as hinduism
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@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz It's the best Buddhist lineage because it's not Buddhist in anything but name 😆

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@genmaicha I can only speak of hinduism not being creepy. however I might know what youre getting at pretty much all esoteric thought can be creepy by its secrecy or severity
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@georgia it's the esoterica as well as the aesthetics
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@genmaicha yeah westerners aren't used to the iconography of wrathful Gods
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@georgia in the west we still have depictions of angry/vengeful angels... what creeps me out about eastern religious iconography is the weird psychedelic vibe - the colors, auras, extra eyes and arms, weird fractal ornaments, etc.
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@genmaicha expanded consciousness is wack, bro. I love it!
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@georgia can't say I've tried it but I don't want to be changed like that
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@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz Chinese Buddhism is eclectic but it's still intelligible with Hinayana and earlier Mahayana forms. Monastic, discipline over magic (with some exceptions), etc. but once you get to Yogacara the whole project might as well just reintegrate into the Vedic tradition because they're (almost) saying the same thing.

Only in Vajrayana you still have a paradox where your goal is to shed conditionality through renunciation but none of the actual techniques have anything to do with that. The cope is "you're doing all these side quests so you can reach liberation more quickly afterwards" but if that's how it works then you don't really need to make renunciation your aim in the first place.

The whole thing is made better sense of by mainline Aryan thinking. You're liberated by fulfilling your dharma. You do your duty and you do it well. The best, if possible.

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@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz To the extent you're indulging all this esoteric gobbledygook it should be toward the end of self mastery. Rotating shapes in your head isn't fixing your karma or whatever, on its own it's just escapism.

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@apollo I'm a big believer in doing sadharmya over svadharma, I consider this to be the ultimate teaching of the Bhagavad Gita while the rest of the mahabharata is very much about svadharma. but the rest of your post I would agree with. I pretty much consider vajrayana to be its own thing. often superior but not always, for instance theres a lot of superstitious "do this puja X times to be liberated by the vajrayogini/some color of tara" which is contrary to the teachings of the Buddha.
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yes how is your shitter doing today, friend? still full?
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@graf I was up shittin and rubbing my tummy last night but today I'm much better
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@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz Vajrayana Buddhism reminds me a lot of Catholicism in how it becomes a worse iimitation of the thing Buddhism is meant to replace.

It's built on this Jewish foundation where anything they identify as Greek is shunned... and then it gets bigger. Christians start getting educated in Platonic schools, start plagiarizing Platonic textbooks for their theology. They start using the exact same materials in the Eucharistic rituals, utilizing an alter the exact same way the Greeks did in their temples, probably without even thinking about it, since every Greek convert would have grown up making offerings that way. This new brand of Christo-Platonist becomes revered, and people start incoming them and making the same offerings to them as they do to Yahweh, and did to the gods. Then it gets even bigger. People are worshipping saints evwrywhere. We start getting stories of these saints that are suspiciously similar to the stories or pre-Christian gods, and we worship those saints, because of course we do! Christians have been doing so since at least their grandparents, probably forever. Arguments that once explained why we light candles and craft images of the gods are used to mandate images of saints...

By the time you get to the 8th Century, the Catholic Church accidentally created a copy of the Greek Paganism it rejected, except worse, because the founding myth is predicated on the rejection of everything Greek in favor of weakness, sterility, immediate anticipation of a global rebirth that will never come.

Vajrayana is essentially the same. It's an imitation of the Vedic tradition but without the nobility. I dislike it less than the rest of Buddhism but I still don't like it.

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@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz I also tend to think it should be its own category because it's so eclectic but both Buddhism and Vajrayana are Promethian, in the most negative sense of the term.

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That’s better then when I ripped my asshole with a big hard turd earlier this week
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proud of you. I'm going to order a chickky breast tossed in the hottest wing sauce I can get my hands on and have them smash it on a half of a cheesy garlic bread loaf for dinner. thoughts?
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tell her about your swamp foot old gregg
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you can sure get lost in the Louisiana bayou
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Have you ever drunk Baileys out of a shoe?
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