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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
This image was created by a Japanese neurologist.
It stays still when you are calm. It begins to move when you experience a slight amount of pressure. It moves like a carousel when under a great deal of stress.
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It stays still when you are calm. It begins to move when you experience a slight amount of pressure. It moves like a carousel when under a great deal of stress.
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@Diceyocean is this actually true? It doesn’t seem to move for me at all
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
@arcana I can easily make it move by pressuring myself
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@Diceyocean@annihilation.social seems more to do with what part of your eye sees the image. if i look directly at it, it's still, but if i look at it indirectly it moves
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
@arcana you don’t know how to apply pressure to yourself. Like pressuring your head
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shadowmoneywizardgang
cashmoney@comp.lain.la
@georgia @Diceyocean @arcana the illusion was you both still fell for OPs bullshit even though you confirmed it doesnt work yourself.
shadowmoneywizardgang.
shadowmoneywizardgang.
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@Diceyocean no, why would I? What is the process for this?
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
@arcana everybody knows how to apply pressure to themselves. Simply tensing muscles in eyes
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georgia
georgia
@arcana @Diceyocean @anemone it doesnt move "like a carousel" it just kinda flickers on the sides if you look indirectly at least for me. you gotta let it all blend in together.
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
@arcana I can’t explain how you pressure yourself. It moves slowly for me. At times it stops
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
@EvilSandmich @arcana maybe It’s correct then after all the criticism
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
@EvilSandmich @arcana it moves slowly for me
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@Diceyocean I’m trying to refocus my eyes for squinting but that doesn’t make it move, just blurs it when out of focus
I don’t know how to “pressure” my eyes
I don’t know how to “pressure” my eyes
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@arcana@fedi.layer02.net @Diceyocean@annihilation.social making your eyes saccade will also cause it to move
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@arcana@fedi.layer02.net @Diceyocean@annihilation.social flicking your eyes to focus on a slightly different location
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@anemone @Diceyocean like aiming the pupils to a different part of the image? I’ve tried that it doesn’t make it move
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EvilSandmich
EvilSandmich@poa.st
@Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @georgia I honestly think it's because of my inability to sit still.
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@arcana@fedi.layer02.net @Diceyocean@annihilation.social focus off of the image and only have it in your peripheral vision that is the easiest way to get it to "move" for me
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
@EvilSandmich @anemone @arcana @georgia just saying these people viciously attacked me like rabid dogs 😂😂
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@anemone @Diceyocean attempted this, does nothing, it remains completely static
Maybe it varies from person to person
Maybe it varies from person to person
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christmas skibidi tomato 
mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
@georgia @arcana @anemone @Diceyocean @EvilSandmich careful dicey or she's gonna see you like a palestinian child
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@mischievoustomato @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @EvilSandmich I don't hate Arabs like you two hate Jews
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
@georgia @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich I watch the grayzone they are Jewish and think Israel should seize to exist
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@Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich I'm sure you have a dozen self hating Jews you can hide behind doesnt make you any less of an antisemite
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Edited 1 year ago
@georgia @EvilSandmich @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato they also think Ukraine is a scam, Assad in Syria is based and the whole democratic party is what all intelligent people see it as
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
@georgia @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich Guess everyone not a Zionists liberal jew like you are evil and deserve death. No wonder nobody likes you guys
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@Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich Assad is a worse war criminal than Netanyahu. thats not based.
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@Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich sheet off Jew hater revealed. or rather, sheet on I guess.
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@Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich he is using barrel bombs on civillians
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
@georgia @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich I really don’t want you to order a bomb on my house
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christmas skibidi tomato
mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
@georgia @arcana @anemone @Diceyocean @EvilSandmich i dont really hate jews. I like Abby Shapiro's tits!
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I used to hate the jews. then I found Jonah hill in 22 Jump Street to be droll and relatable
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@mischievoustomato @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @EvilSandmich give me a break you've posted holocaust denial thats why I unfollowed you.
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@arcana@fedi.layer02.net @Diceyocean@annihilation.social @mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @EvilSandmich@poa.st porn addicted coomers don't act like gross weirdos challenge (impossible)
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EvilSandmich
EvilSandmich@poa.st
@georgia @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana > you've posted holocaust denial thats why I unfollowed you
And justifiably so as I myself am looking for some Holocaust affirmation, please lay that thick evidence on me
And justifiably so as I myself am looking for some Holocaust affirmation, please lay that thick evidence on me
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christmas skibidi tomato
mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
@anemone @arcana @georgia @Diceyocean @EvilSandmich what's the use case for that?
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christmas skibidi tomato
mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
@arcana @anemone @georgia @Diceyocean @EvilSandmich who cares
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christmas skibidi tomato
mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
@anemone @arcana @georgia @Diceyocean @EvilSandmich i do it on purpose
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christmas skibidi tomato
mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
@EvilSandmich @arcana @anemone @georgia @Diceyocean the holocaust literally doesn't matter anymore
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
@mischievoustomato @anemone @arcana @georgia @EvilSandmich nooooo it's supposed to matter for eternity noooooo
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georgia
georgia
@EvilSandmich @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato the nizkor project refutes holocaust denial systematically
https://www.nizkor.org
but tl; dr here's a graph of the world Jewish population. Holocaust deniers can never explain why the world Jewish population only recently reached 1930s numbers (if you include half jews)
https://www.nizkor.org
but tl; dr here's a graph of the world Jewish population. Holocaust deniers can never explain why the world Jewish population only recently reached 1930s numbers (if you include half jews)
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
@mischievoustomato @anemone @arcana @georgia @EvilSandmich I like a juicy ass and will always state so even if it bothers people
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
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christmas skibidi tomato
mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
@anemone @arcana @georgia @Diceyocean @EvilSandmich as if i didn't know that
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christmas skibidi tomato
mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
@mischievoustomato @anemone @arcana @georgia @EvilSandmich it's just rude to say that to someone even if true
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demonofustio
demonofustio@poa.st
@Diceyocean Interesting. The ball isnt moving but the center is moving like a carrousel. I must be under a lot of stress, but naked in the bed trying to wake up and drag my groggy ass to the shower.
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christmas skibidi tomato
mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
@Diceyocean @arcana @anemone @georgia @EvilSandmich bleh. we're online, it's ok
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
@demonofustio interesting indeed maybe you are dying
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TimeSpent@poa.st
TimeSpent@poa.st
@Diceyocean @mischievoustomato @anemone @arcana @georgia @EvilSandmich I'm objectifying everyone in this thread right now. Just so you know.
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Will2Sailcil ⛵
Will2Power@poa.st
@georgia @EvilSandmich @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato >Source: American Jewish Library
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georgia
georgia
@Will2Power @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich the Jewish population is 15.8 million today. Do you really think Jews can fake the number of existing Jews? Why is the Jewish population today still lower than peak 80 years ago? Only the Holocaust explains this. here's pew research centers numbers -- still lower than peak. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2015/04/02/jews/
you're wrong and complacent in being wrong for ideological reasons.
you're wrong and complacent in being wrong for ideological reasons.
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
@georgia @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power you guys are obliterating the whole area you have camped down and are trying to drag the US into a global possible world war 3 conflict. It’s not relevant what you are talking about
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christmas skibidi tomato
mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
@georgia @arcana @anemone @Will2Power @Diceyocean @EvilSandmich it was nearly a century ago. let go
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EvilSandmich
EvilSandmich@poa.st
@TimeSpent @Diceyocean @mischievoustomato @anemone @arcana @georgia >I'm objectifying everyone in this thread right now.
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@mischievoustomato @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @EvilSandmich @Will2Power its still relevant today when so many people deny it or want to repeat it. Jew haters want it scrubbed away as an inconvenient fact because its where their hatred leads.
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@mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @Diceyocean@annihilation.social @EvilSandmich@poa.st i dont know why you're so adamant about making yourself miserable
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EvilSandmich
EvilSandmich@poa.st
@georgia @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @Will2Power >Jew haters
Lol. Reminds me of when people ask me why I don't want to live around black people: even black people don't want to live around black people.
In fact your point shows how irrelevant it is as, contra to your argument, we wouldn't even care if it were true. It's only relevant to people looking for something to beat non-Jews over the head with and if those people went away we'd stop caring altogether. For example, you think anyone (except the Chinese) gives a sh!t about China lying about how many chinks the Japs killed? No.
Lol. Reminds me of when people ask me why I don't want to live around black people: even black people don't want to live around black people.
In fact your point shows how irrelevant it is as, contra to your argument, we wouldn't even care if it were true. It's only relevant to people looking for something to beat non-Jews over the head with and if those people went away we'd stop caring altogether. For example, you think anyone (except the Chinese) gives a sh!t about China lying about how many chinks the Japs killed? No.
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
@anemone @georgia @EvilSandmich @arcana @mischievoustomato man is finally more happy don’t you remember the time he was struggling. He has come a long way.
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georgia
georgia
@EvilSandmich @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @Will2Power if you already hate Jews then why do you care about the correct answer to if the holocaust happened? just make it up to suit your own ends like all the others.
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EvilSandmich
EvilSandmich@poa.st
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @Will2Power Because we're ruled by fuggin jews and their mostly imagined (and projected) grudges. A better question is why you're running cover for someone who hates your guts?
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christmas skibidi tomato
mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
@anemone @arcana @georgia @Diceyocean @EvilSandmich it's fun
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christmas skibidi tomato
mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
@georgia @arcana @anemone @Will2Power considering the actions of jews today welp, where it leads to makes sense anyway @Diceyocean @EvilSandmich
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Will2Sailcil ⛵
Will2Power@poa.st
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@georgia @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @EvilSandmich Yeah, but he's not a White Monster like me 😤
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georgia
georgia
@Will2Power @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich now that's a garbage conspiracy theory if ive ever heard one. "dont listen to statistics, here's the REAL number". still doesnt explain why there are fewer than 16.6 million Jews in the world today.
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christmas skibidi tomato
mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
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EvilSandmich
EvilSandmich@poa.st
@georgia @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @Will2Power >you're a monster
You're the dude slandering a whole race of people based on a lie 🙄
You're the dude slandering a whole race of people based on a lie 🙄
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georgia
georgia
@EvilSandmich @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @Will2Power ive already proven its not a lie, but im sorry youre so sensitive to "slander"
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christmas skibidi tomato
mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
@Will2Power @arcana @anemone @georgia @Diceyocean @EvilSandmich not until i unearth michael jackson's secrets
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Will2Sailcil ⛵
Will2Power@poa.st
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich Because your initial source is a post-hoc fabrication to invent 6 million jews to have died in a "holocaust."
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EvilSandmich
EvilSandmich@poa.st
@georgia @Will2Power @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato Maybe if they could give up buttsex and nigger-love for a generation their number might improve.
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georgia
georgia
@Will2Power @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich first you say there are an extra six million hiding Jews in america to make the number of Jews now equivalent to the number of Jews then, then you say the number of Jews then was a lie. Which is it? You have no internal consistency. Why? Because you're wrong. lmao
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@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power mental illness.im glad poast blocks us kek
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@Diceyocean idk I think I'm as stressed as I can realistically be but it's dead still (just did an all-nighter but only procrastinated)
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Edited 1 year ago
@latein I got a really high resting pulse. Like extreme. Should probably get a doctor to check it out. But I had it since 2013 and for me moves a little when I apply pressure inside my head towards my eyes
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@Will2Power @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @georgia @EvilSandmich we can just as readily say source: neo-nazi faggot lol
I save that kind of rhetoric for charlatans like Leuchter and that only because he had no education or expertise relevant to what he tried to prove
I save that kind of rhetoric for charlatans like Leuchter and that only because he had no education or expertise relevant to what he tried to prove
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EvilSandmich
EvilSandmich@poa.st
@georgia @Will2Power @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato Did you ever answer why you're running cover for jews? 🤔
I, personally, didn't bring the numbers up as they're irrelevant, the Official Holocaust Narrative has holes-a-plenty without having to pull out a calculator.
I, personally, didn't bring the numbers up as they're irrelevant, the Official Holocaust Narrative has holes-a-plenty without having to pull out a calculator.
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@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power I think the holocaust did happen but I still think the kikes in Israel should experience nuclear Armageddon
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Special-
special-boy@poa.st
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich
actually they just say that they where in the soviet union that is notorious for fucking with population records.
not something that you can prove one way or the other
actually they just say that they where in the soviet union that is notorious for fucking with population records.
not something that you can prove one way or the other
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christmas skibidi tomato
mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
@EvilSandmich @arcana she's jewish @anemone @Will2Power @georgia @Diceyocean
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charliebrownau
charliebrownau@poa.st
@Cyrillic @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @georgia @EvilSandmich @Will2Power When sheeple say
I think XXXX
What they are actually saying is
ZOG TOLD ME
thus Im going to repeat programing
like a good slave
I think XXXX
What they are actually saying is
ZOG TOLD ME
thus Im going to repeat programing
like a good slave
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@mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @EvilSandmich@poa.st @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @Will2Power@poa.st @georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @Diceyocean@annihilation.social holocaust denial is genuinely retarded but it's disgusting how zionists monopolize the holocaust and use it to justify their own atrocities
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EvilSandmich
EvilSandmich@poa.st
@Cyrillic @georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @Will2Power >I think the holocaust did happen but I still think the kikes in Israel should experience nuclear Armageddon
I can compromise to that.
And the kikes think there's no room for meeting halfway on this.
I can compromise to that.
And the kikes think there's no room for meeting halfway on this.
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@Cyrillic @Will2Power @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @georgia @EvilSandmich You're homosexual so no one cares what you think
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
@anemone @georgia @Will2Power @EvilSandmich @arcana @mischievoustomato only issue I have is with number of dead. I don't think the amounts are correct
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georgia
georgia
@anemone @Will2Power @EvilSandmich @arcana @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean what does monopolize The Holocaust mean? Jews were the primary victims of Nazi genocidal infrastructure. Theres nothing to "monopolize".
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@Meat_Mom @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @georgia @EvilSandmich @Will2Power
how are you always showing up like this you retard?
how are you always showing up like this you retard?
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
@anemone @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @arcana @georgia @mischievoustomato besides I never heard a word about the 25 ,millions Russian that perished in press
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@mischievoustomato @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @georgia @Will2Power I always find jews who 100% buy into the Holocaust story fascinating. It's like Bernie Madoff writ large: they're good at math, and are alert for someone running a scam on them - unless, it's one of their own people pulling the snow job on them.
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@Cyrillic @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @georgia @EvilSandmich @Will2Power Weird how you always show up at glory holes
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amenome
anemone@ebiverse.social@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @Will2Power@poa.st @EvilSandmich@poa.st @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @Diceyocean@annihilation.social there were also millions of non-jewish victims, nearly as many as there were jewish by some accounts and the holocaust isn't the only atrocity in WW2. The Russian civilian death toll far outstrips the total (jewish and non-jewish) death toll of the holocaust
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
@anemone @georgia @Will2Power @EvilSandmich @arcana @mischievoustomato do you think it has something to do with who controls the media
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charliebrownau
charliebrownau@poa.st
@EvilSandmich @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @georgia @Will2Power They base their identity around the holohoax
its their region
They are an alien parasite from a different realm
They are not native to earth
They don't have a compatible soul with our realm
its their region
They are an alien parasite from a different realm
They are not native to earth
They don't have a compatible soul with our realm
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christmas skibidi tomato
mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
@anemone @arcana @Will2Power @georgia @Diceyocean @EvilSandmich woman you really went and poured gasoline
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@georgia @anemone @Diceyocean @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @arcana @mischievoustomato you just said you're done with the thread 
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@mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @Will2Power@poa.st @georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @Diceyocean@annihilation.social @EvilSandmich@poa.st the holocaust and targeting of jewish people was horrible but it is not some singly uniquely horrible event in human history like I have seen a lot of zionists pretend.
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
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christmas skibidi tomato
mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
@EvilSandmich @arcana for me this is a funi thread, I have never researched into the holocaust because the only holo thing I care about is hololive (im so fucking bored) @anemone @Will2Power @georgia @Diceyocean
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
@mischievoustomato @anemone @arcana @georgia @EvilSandmich @Will2Power I am a Holocaust surviver thats why I informed myself
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christmas skibidi tomato
mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
@anemone @arcana @Will2Power @georgia @Diceyocean @EvilSandmich so true queen sit on my face naked
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georgia
georgia
@anemone @Will2Power @EvilSandmich @arcana @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean most estimates of victims in the 11 million expanded definition of the Holocaust count Soviet POWs (who arent a people but it is a reflection of hatred for Slavs), the disabled in Aktion T4, and the victims of the Pojramos, along with the relatively small number of victims who were gay etc. Among those the only ethnic groups and thereby the only peoples who can be said to be "intentionally eliminated in whole or in part (definition of genocide)" are Jews and Gypsies. Regardless, the genocidal infrastructure of the Holocaust built in Nazi occupied Europe particularly Poland was built with the intent to exterminate Jews, and Nazi leadership only expressed the official intention to exterminate the Jewish people. There is no "monopolization" and by conflating the victims of warfare albeit cruel warfare with the victims of the worst genocide in history with its killing on an industrial scale you are trivializing the Holocaust which is kindred to denying it. You can hate the state of Israel without saying things like "christian soviets were more victims of the Nazis than Jews were" which you imply.
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christmas skibidi tomato
mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
@anemone @arcana @Will2Power @georgia @Diceyocean @EvilSandmich yeah. me not having a gf is far worse
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@EvilSandmich @georgia @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana
i love holocaust maximalism
cant stand these mainstream deniers of the electric floors and nuclear extermination
i love holocaust maximalism
cant stand these mainstream deniers of the electric floors and nuclear extermination
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Will2Sailcil ⛵
Will2Power@poa.st
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich 1933: AJC claims 15.8 M in World Almanac
1948: World Almanac claims 15.7 M
Your data has a 6 million decrease from 1939 to 1945, which is not accurate. There may have been a slight decrease but not by much at all, at least according to the World Almanac, which I find way more credible than your "source."
Jews requested religious affiliation not be included in the Census because people would start asking questions, so it was omitted because all the jews were still here.
It's all fake. There was no peepee poopoo caust, there were no gas chambers, etc.
Also took me a while to find this again because kikes keep censoring shit on the internet like taking down the Internet Archive because they don't want people to know the truth.
1948: World Almanac claims 15.7 M
Your data has a 6 million decrease from 1939 to 1945, which is not accurate. There may have been a slight decrease but not by much at all, at least according to the World Almanac, which I find way more credible than your "source."
Jews requested religious affiliation not be included in the Census because people would start asking questions, so it was omitted because all the jews were still here.
It's all fake. There was no peepee poopoo caust, there were no gas chambers, etc.
Also took me a while to find this again because kikes keep censoring shit on the internet like taking down the Internet Archive because they don't want people to know the truth.
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Special-
special-boy@poa.st
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power
>eleven million
“I said to him, ‘Simon, you are telling a lie,’” Bauer recalled in an interview Tuesday. “He said, ‘Sometimes you need to do that to get the results for things you think are essential.’”
Bauer and other historians who knew Wiesenthal said the Nazi hunter told them that he chose the 5 million number carefully: He wanted a number large enough to attract the attention of non-Jews who might not otherwise care about Jewish suffering, but not larger than the actual number of Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust, 6 million.
>eleven million
“I said to him, ‘Simon, you are telling a lie,’” Bauer recalled in an interview Tuesday. “He said, ‘Sometimes you need to do that to get the results for things you think are essential.’”
Bauer and other historians who knew Wiesenthal said the Nazi hunter told them that he chose the 5 million number carefully: He wanted a number large enough to attract the attention of non-Jews who might not otherwise care about Jewish suffering, but not larger than the actual number of Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust, 6 million.
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EvilSandmich
EvilSandmich@poa.st
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @Will2Power There's nothing but platitudes in that.
Look, you're the one making the extraordinary claims so you should do the work to show how and when a cash strapped country in the middle of war which is struggling with access to hydrocarbons managed to pull off such an elaborate scheme with no surviving documentation or processes whatsoever.
Look, you're the one making the extraordinary claims so you should do the work to show how and when a cash strapped country in the middle of war which is struggling with access to hydrocarbons managed to pull off such an elaborate scheme with no surviving documentation or processes whatsoever.
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georgia
georgia
@Will2Power @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich this source uses the american Jewish committee numbers (which you strangely dont disregard as biased now) because they PROJECTED AN INCREASE in the population. this is covered on nizkor. the totals showing a higher number during the early 40s were based on the population growth rate, they weren't actual. Now tell me something I dont already know is wrong.
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amenome
anemone@ebiverse.social@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @Will2Power@poa.st @EvilSandmich@poa.st @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @Diceyocean@annihilation.social half the polish victims of the holocaust were gentiles. I don't dispute that Jews were the primary target of the nazis but they weren't the only victims by any stretch. Also the 17-20 million figure for russia was civillians. If you include russian military and pows the death roll was 27-30 million
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georgia
georgia
@anemone @Will2Power @EvilSandmich @arcana @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean you can include whatever numbers you want, that doesnt mean that victims of war are victims of genocide
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amenome
anemone@ebiverse.social@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @Will2Power@poa.st @EvilSandmich@poa.st @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @Diceyocean@annihilation.social The killing of slavic peoples arguably was
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georgia
georgia
@anemone @Will2Power @EvilSandmich @arcana @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean you can argue that but its not mainstream, and still the proportionality of death toll and by means it doesnt compare to the Nazi genocide of the Jews
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@charliebrownau @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @georgia @EvilSandmich @Will2Power lol no, nice projection but listening to the right person is not comparable to scepticism, not even if it's your favourite podcaster.
a large part of what changed my mind was that the furnaces in Auschwitz were close to the gas chambers and sufficient to cremate a million, why else would one need to be able to incinerate ~5000 people per day?
and that it's a very tremendous conspiracy theory, such that dajoos would need to be omnipotent to pull it off so well
a large part of what changed my mind was that the furnaces in Auschwitz were close to the gas chambers and sufficient to cremate a million, why else would one need to be able to incinerate ~5000 people per day?
and that it's a very tremendous conspiracy theory, such that dajoos would need to be omnipotent to pull it off so well
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amenome
anemone@ebiverse.social@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @Will2Power@poa.st @EvilSandmich@poa.st @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @Diceyocean@annihilation.social I don't see how that really matters in regards to the rhetoric used to justify the state of israel which is my entire point
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georgia
georgia
@anemone @Will2Power @EvilSandmich @arcana @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean you don't even believe Jews are a distinct ethnic group so why would you think they deserve a state regardless of rhetoric used to justify it?
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amenome
anemone@ebiverse.social@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @Will2Power@poa.st @EvilSandmich@poa.st @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @Diceyocean@annihilation.social no ethnic group deserves a state lol
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georgia
georgia
@anemone @Will2Power @EvilSandmich @arcana @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean I believe every stateless people deserves a state.
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@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @Will2Power@poa.st @EvilSandmich@poa.st @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @Diceyocean@annihilation.social ethnostates are a terrible fucking idea, in fact!
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HEWEGO YAW UNKUH SAM GAWN PAY FUH AWW DIS HERE STOOPIT SHIT NIGGA LIVIN HIGH ON DUH HOGSKIN'S MONEY NIGGA 
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georgia
georgia
@anemone @Will2Power @EvilSandmich @arcana @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean most states are ethnostates-- states with a dominant people with that peoples culture and language being the mainstream culture and language. Every state in Europe is like this. Yet this is denied of the Jewish people.
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georgia
georgia
@anemone @Will2Power @EvilSandmich @arcana @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean thats not what stateless people means. most Kurds live in Iraq, Turkey, Syria, and Iran, yet they are still a stateless people.
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EvilSandmich
EvilSandmich@poa.st
@special-boy @georgia @Diceyocean @Will2Power @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato >So you were lying then?
<Yes.
>But you're telling the truth now?
<... ... ... Of course.
Going to school it was repeatedly noted that 12-15 million people died in the Holocaust including vast swaths of Christians who had the temerity to stand up to Mustache Man. This, in hindsight, was of course was an effort to get all of the west to buy into the jewish lie as a shared communal suffering. The supposed death of the non-jews went in the bin once it became untenable (along with the magic plumbing system that could dispense gas or water at the flip of a switch and other tall tales).
<Yes.
>But you're telling the truth now?
<... ... ... Of course.
Going to school it was repeatedly noted that 12-15 million people died in the Holocaust including vast swaths of Christians who had the temerity to stand up to Mustache Man. This, in hindsight, was of course was an effort to get all of the west to buy into the jewish lie as a shared communal suffering. The supposed death of the non-jews went in the bin once it became untenable (along with the magic plumbing system that could dispense gas or water at the flip of a switch and other tall tales).
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charliebrownau
charliebrownau@poa.st
@Cyrillic @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @georgia @EvilSandmich @Will2Power Plus its the only
'modern'
historical event
its ((( ILLEGAL ))) to question the state declared number of deaths
in over 20 nations
otherwise the state sends you to prison
Definally NOT SUSS
'modern'
historical event
its ((( ILLEGAL ))) to question the state declared number of deaths
in over 20 nations
otherwise the state sends you to prison
Definally NOT SUSS
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amenome
anemone@ebiverse.social@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @Will2Power@poa.st @EvilSandmich@poa.st @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @Diceyocean@annihilation.social again, ethnostates are a terrible idea and something humanity should be moving away from, not creating more of
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EvilSandmich
EvilSandmich@poa.st
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @Will2Power >Yet this is denied of the Jewish people.
I don't see why that's our problem
I don't see why that's our problem
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georgia
georgia
@anemone @Will2Power @EvilSandmich @arcana @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean separate peoples won't cease to exist when their states do. thats a utopian pipedream. but its interesting that you don't support a Palestinian state, which would be an ethnostate-- because the PLO defines a Palestinian as any Arab who lived in Palestine two years before 1948 or their decedents.
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@charliebrownau @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @georgia @EvilSandmich @Will2Power
It's also illegal to shoot fentanyl, but that doesn't make fentanyl a secret medicine hidden by governments.
It's also illegal to shoot fentanyl, but that doesn't make fentanyl a secret medicine hidden by governments.
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amenome
anemone@ebiverse.social@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @Will2Power@poa.st @EvilSandmich@poa.st @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @Diceyocean@annihilation.social I'm not a "two state solution" promoter, no
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charliebrownau
charliebrownau@poa.st
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power Arabs allowed
Womens rights
Christianity
and others to come into their own nation
and refused to kill jews on mass
Why the fuck should White europeans give them the time of day
When arabs cause so much problems in our nations
The thing is the Jew is a alien parasite
it has no real nation here
because its not native to earth
Womens rights
Christianity
and others to come into their own nation
and refused to kill jews on mass
Why the fuck should White europeans give them the time of day
When arabs cause so much problems in our nations
The thing is the Jew is a alien parasite
it has no real nation here
because its not native to earth
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Une ॐ भैरवाय नम:
unmind@social.xenofem.me
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato this isn't true actually, the nation states of europe used to have hundreds of ethnic groups that were flattened or culturally wiped out in the interest of forging new national identities
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@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @Will2Power@poa.st @EvilSandmich@poa.st @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @Diceyocean@annihilation.social not practical anyway given how crisscrossed with israeli settlements the west bank is
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georgia
georgia
@anemone @Will2Power @EvilSandmich @arcana @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean thats why the settlements should be dismantled in exchange for peace imo
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@unmind @Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @georgia European states as they are defined in the modern sense are very diverse in terms of native Europeans.
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Une ॐ भैरवाय नम:
unmind@social.xenofem.me
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato this also happened with the plurality of jewish cultures/traditions that were eradicated in the interest of israeli nationalism and so idk the state of israel has been a disaster for jewish culture even beyond just the stain of genocide and colonialism imo
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
@georgia @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power seeing Israel is currently in process of destroying everything around them and desperately trying to drag the world into a major conflict being a zionist is probably going to get more and more frowned upon among your liberal friends
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georgia
georgia
@arcana @Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @unmind Israel too is diverse. It has Druze, Armenians, Greeks, Arameans, Beduoin Arabs, etc etc.
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amenome
anemone@ebiverse.social@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @Will2Power@poa.st @EvilSandmich@poa.st @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @Diceyocean@annihilation.social sure but I don't see that happening. Granted a single secular state doesn't seem likely right now either but I think that would be better long term than two neighboring states taking potshots at each other. I don't think isralis should be expelled from the region either given 80% of them were born there (except for the settlers who should be expelled from earth)
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@arcana@fedi.layer02.net @unmind@social.xenofem.me @Diceyocean@annihilation.social @mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @georgia@netzsphaere.xyz every modern state is multiethnic though some moreso than others
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EvilSandmich
EvilSandmich@poa.st
@charliebrownau @Cyrillic @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @georgia @Will2Power Georgia sounds like he's trying to convince himself more than anyone. I feel like such a sucker for ever believing in the official storyline ("So wait, the Germans would carefully serial number everyone coming into the huge complexes they built, for a death camp, and then for sh!ts and giggles they would send the prisoners through showers that they would switch to be gas chambers depending on their mood? And there are no bodies because they stole all the fuel from their war efforts to magically burn bodies to ashes faster than I can burn a greasy burger on my grill?")
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georgia
georgia
@unmind @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato The Jewish community in Israel is the only non-ultra Orthodox thriving Jewish community in the world. Just look at the US- Jews are assimilating into the background liberal culture and abandon Judaism after the age of 13. Plus, all those traditions you mentioned largely still exist within Israel, though many intermarry within the separate Jewish ethnic groups.
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
@EvilSandmich @anemone @arcana @Cyrillic @mischievoustomato @georgia @Will2Power @charliebrownau even though it’s quite controversial to talk about it the number of dead given in death camps isn’t possible to achieve in the timeline given
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @unmind personally I think the answer is balkanization
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amenome
anemone@ebiverse.social@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @Diceyocean@annihilation.social @mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @unmind@social.xenofem.me it's founded by and currently controlled by genocidal religious extremists though, which is the problem
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@Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @Cyrillic @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @charliebrownau keep telling yourself that
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georgia
georgia
@anemone @arcana @unmind @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean it was founded by socialists. its currently controlled by war criminals though you're right about that.
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@anemone @georgia @unmind @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean North Korea hilariously has two white guys descended from an American soldier who defected and was given an Eastern European wife
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@georgia @anemone @arcana @Cyrillic @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @charliebrownau why should I keep telling myself that? It’s not like that part of history even is relevant any longer if it wasn’t for Hollywood and liberal press this would be forgotten already. Are we supposed to talk about this for existence of universe
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @unmind I feel like American Jews definitely haven’t assimilated
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @unmind being founded by socialists is a bad thing too imo
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georgia
georgia
@arcana @Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @unmind you're not in the community. trust me we have. intermarriage is the status quo and milquetoast liberalism is the religion. its cringe.
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amenome
anemone@ebiverse.social@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @unmind@social.xenofem.me @mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @Diceyocean@annihilation.social being socialist doesn't preclude also being the other things, sadly
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amenome
anemone@ebiverse.social@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @Diceyocean@annihilation.social @mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @unmind@social.xenofem.me extremism, isolation and segregation is more cringe imo
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @unmind I’m not in the community sure, but I’ve seen enough of them to know they seem to count themselves separately to the others
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@anemone @georgia @unmind @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean tbh it was founded by terrorists and Lord Rothschild making backroom deals
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georgia
georgia
@anemone @arcana @unmind @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean thats fair but I value what contributes to the survival of the Jewish people in an authentic form recognizable to our ancient ancestors.
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @georgia @unmind @meso the post war socialism after WWII is what destroyed so much of Europe tbh. The postwar Labour government in the UK is responsible for so many aspects of rot and lost rights in this country.
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georgia
georgia
@arcana @Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @unmind hey at least Zionism wasnt founded by a man like the father of Palestinian Nationalism, Haj Amin Al-Husseini, famous for being an ally to Hitler and for fomenting pogroms against Jews.
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @unmind both of these things are bad, both of these groups wanted to ally with Hitler against the British Empire
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @georgia @unmind @meso “strong state” in the sense of socialism is terrible and is why we now get taxed to high heaven and people can’t do fuck all about it. People working as a community has been destroyed by socialism. Countries can own their own natural resources without socialism too lmao
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georgia
georgia
@arcana @Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @unmind the Jews were just against the whitepaper, which reneged on British promises and limited Jewish immigration during a time Jews were actively being subject to genocide. I see terrorism against the British Empire and say "based".
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @unmind it limited Jewish migration because they were trying to move into places where the Palestinian natives were begging the British authorised to not let them move in and disrupt their communities and take their homes
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @georgia @unmind @meso Britain had far better answers such as Model Villages like Port Sunlight. Free housing for workers, local communities and amenities, and a nice and safe place to raise your family provided by aristocratic philanthropy rather than destroying the economy and stealing from subjects via taxation to pay for it.
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georgia
georgia
@arcana @Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @unmind Fair but that didnt justify the pogroms against Jews in the holy cities of Hebron and Jerusalem.
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @georgia @unmind @meso you do realize that there’s more than just socialism (including fascism and communism) and late 20th century neoliberalism correct?
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @unmind I’m not saying it did, just that it was very much a complex issue and the Jewish people were actively wanting to emigrate into lands with people already living there which they wanted to push out, and when that wasn’t being completely given, even with compromises, they started blowing up hotels and trying to ally with Hitler
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georgia
georgia
@arcana @Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @unmind youre not wrong but their trying to ally with Hitler is blown up in consequence by antizionists when Palestinians were LITERALLY allied with Hitler.
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @georgia @unmind @meso Postwar Europe has honestly been a mess and a failed experiment, it was only through a brief period of rejuvenation in the 1980s that some western economies were able to see a turn around and get out of the dire swamps of the socialist eras and economies were able to start growing heavily again. Some more recent policies have completely undermined that though.
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
@georgia @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @unmind I just can't get my head off snipers shooting toddlers in head like jews in Israel and you defending it
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@Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @unmind I would never defend that and I never have, if it can be demonstrably proven to have happened. I dont support the war in Gaza I think it was the wrong response to the Oct 7 attacks and I certainly don't support the war in Lebanon.
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @unmind @meso I think it was good to lower tariffs on trade, to have free movement of people (within the union), but I don’t like how it became a regulatory behemoth dictating a lot of things and slowing growth, and having a single currency across different economies is extremely stupid and has caused a ton of issues.
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @unmind both groups wanted to ally with Hitler because they both hated the British Empire who was trying to stop both groups from genociding each other.
I don’t think one group being more successful in requesting an alliance is meaningful when they both wanted it and both actively tried to hinder the only nation fighting against the Nazis for the entire duration of the war including a period of standing alone in 1940.
You claim it was based people were committing terror attacks against the only people who saw basically 0 citizens join the SS, and who were committed to defeating Hitler
I don’t think one group being more successful in requesting an alliance is meaningful when they both wanted it and both actively tried to hinder the only nation fighting against the Nazis for the entire duration of the war including a period of standing alone in 1940.
You claim it was based people were committing terror attacks against the only people who saw basically 0 citizens join the SS, and who were committed to defeating Hitler
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
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@arcana @anemone @mischievoustomato @georgia @unmind @meso In Norway even the right has adapted some socialist aspects, even far right but that may be similar in other countries what is not similar is that the direction of country remains same whoever is in power because they feel responsible to the people. It's like some sort of national socialism type of society but not NAZI
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @unmind actually my family are mostly of Irish heritage and fought many wars against the English, but they volunteered with the British Army in WWII to fight against the Nazis. That’s how they ended up in Britain effectively, and how my great granddad met my great gran who was Hanoverian
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
@arcana @anemone @mischievoustomato @georgia @unmind you seem to be very little fond of community led politics and more enthusiasitic about globalist type of society to be of Irish heritage
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @georgia @unmind my main ancestry line traces back to 983 AD there, in County Clare. I’m mixed Anglo-Gaelic, and also descend from a clan of the far northern Highlands but that is my ancestry.
Also, where did you get the idea that I’m a globalist? I’m not quite sure what you’re trying to say there
Also, where did you get the idea that I’m a globalist? I’m not quite sure what you’re trying to say there
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @unmind a lot of my family fought in WWII, my granddad’s dad was a POW from 1940 to 1945 and part of The March ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_March_(1945) ), after he was one of the volunteer stay behinds in Dunkirk, and one of my granddad’s uncles was killed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhoudt_massacre
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Edited 1 year ago
@arcana @anemone @mischievoustomato @georgia @unmind just get that impression maybe I am wrong. You could be a nationalist wanting to privatize all aspects of society like the current system or wanting to keep it in the peoples hand partially at least. Aren't many options
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georgia
georgia
@arcana @Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @unmind my great uncle fought in WWII. I talked to him about it before he died it was very interesting.
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @georgia @unmind privatising aspects of society is a libertarian thing, I do consider myself pretty libertarian and consider it be the healthiest way to run an economy and that a lot of the government spending and management is ineffectual and wasteful. I don’t see what makes that un Irish or whatever, they don’t have a public health service there like the NHS, and have way lower corporation tax.
I think in many instances people are best left alone by the state and things should be generally permissible.
I’m a nationalist in so far as I believe that history, culture, and language are important, especially when it comes to endangered languages like the Celtic ones. I think folklore and a storied past is part of what makes life so rich and enjoyable, and we should fight to preserve that.
I think in many instances people are best left alone by the state and things should be generally permissible.
I’m a nationalist in so far as I believe that history, culture, and language are important, especially when it comes to endangered languages like the Celtic ones. I think folklore and a storied past is part of what makes life so rich and enjoyable, and we should fight to preserve that.
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p3️⃣wp3️⃣wp3️⃣w
eee@poa.st
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @unmind >during a time Jews were actively being subject to genocide
wish that were true 🙏
wish that were true 🙏
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les sauvages
teratology@the.asbestos.cafe
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power there's another the ongoing genocide of Indigenous people all over the occupied "civilized" west, including the time Israel helped U.S.A genocide Maya people. Israel has no right to use the holocaust to deflect from it's participation in multiple genocides.
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
@arcana @anemone @mischievoustomato @georgia @unmind maybe this graph will make you reconsider your political stance. The more socialized and ethnically homogeneous at the same time the happier. It seems like a anti libertarian graph
IMG_2263.jpeg
IMG_2263.jpeg
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @georgia @unmind why do you think I’m against places being more ethnically homogenous? The place I live is 99.9% people of a similar background to my own
I feel like you don’t actually know what my views are at all you’re just assuming
I feel like you don’t actually know what my views are at all you’re just assuming
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christmas skibidi tomato
mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
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Wobbegong@poa.st
Wobbegong@poa.st
@Diceyocean @arcana @anemone @mischievoustomato @georgia @unmind tbf finland is happy because in that northern hellhole all the depressed people kill themselves
tfw no baltic gf :(
tfw im super mixed :(
tfw no baltic gf :(
tfw im super mixed :(
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
@arcana @anemone @mischievoustomato @georgia @unmind it just seems libertarian is the total opposite of the policies of the top happiest countries
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@Wobbegong @Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @georgia @unmind of the 200 people we surveyed, 100% of the people who didn’t hang themselves during the study said they were happy
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mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
@Wobbegong @arcana @anemone @unmind @georgia @Diceyocean tfw no cute eastern euro gf
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mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
@Diceyocean @arcana @anemone @unmind @georgia arcana is a libertarian segregationist
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
@arcana @anemone @mischievoustomato @georgia @Wobbegong @unmind you literally sold your water supplies to Arab countries in Britain. Arabs own your water
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @georgia @unmind there’s more to life than just those kinds of cherry picked examples for one, happiness isn’t the only important metric, and ultimately, you can have a cohesive and fairly libertarian society that is pleasant and rates highly for happiness. Those model villages I mentioned earlier being a great example.
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@teratology @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power this is just leftist historiography I really have no interest in non mainstream definitions of genocide like those who call the Gaza war genocide.
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @georgia @Wobbegong @unmind I didn’t literally do anything, and where do I say that’s a good thing? You are approaching with absolutely zero nuance. I believe that generally countries are best as libertarian monarchies, and things like utilities and such are best held by the crown for the benefit of the country as they were for centuries
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amenome
anemone@ebiverse.social@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @teratology@the.asbestos.cafe @Diceyocean@annihilation.social @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @EvilSandmich@poa.st @Will2Power@poa.st plenty of mainstream sources have called what's happening in gaza a genocide, despite US and Israeli propaganda. This is willful ignorance at best
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georgia
georgia
@anemone @teratology @Will2Power @EvilSandmich @arcana @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean genocide requires intent to exterminate a population, and 40,000 out of millions is not genocide scale either.
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CatSoc 
CatLord@poa.st
@georgia @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @EvilSandmich @Will2Power the inconvenient fact is the jew
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amenome
anemone@ebiverse.social@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @teratology@the.asbestos.cafe @Will2Power@poa.st @EvilSandmich@poa.st @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @Diceyocean@annihilation.social genocidal intent has been established by numerous israeli government and military officials. Genocide isn't about scale but estimates put the gaza death toll at around 180,000, the 40,000 figure is only recovered and identified corpses
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
@anemone @georgia @teratology @Will2Power @EvilSandmich @arcana @mischievoustomato when something affects your tribe it’s pretty usual to make excuses for everything they do. Like that it isn’t real etc. Simple creatures don’t think contrary to majority views.
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mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
@anemone @arcana @Will2Power @teratology @georgia @Diceyocean @EvilSandmich erm is it ethnic cleansing or genocide
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les sauvages
teratology@the.asbestos.cafe
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power what do you think is the intention behind bombing hospitals and sniping children? JFC Zionist brainworms fr
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
@mischievoustomato @anemone @arcana @georgia @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology I feel really bad with what they are doing with Lebanon since the architecture is very similar to Andalusia in Southern Spain. So when I see a bombed building and people screaming I feel like they bombed here
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@mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @Will2Power@poa.st @teratology@the.asbestos.cafe @georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @Diceyocean@annihilation.social @EvilSandmich@poa.st I think when you blow up every hospital, disable or destroy infrastructure providing water, food, etc, and assassinate international aid workers the intent is obvious
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mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
@Diceyocean @arcana @anemone @Will2Power @teratology @georgia @EvilSandmich I can't care bro sorry
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les sauvages
teratology@the.asbestos.cafe
@anemone @georgia @Will2Power @EvilSandmich @arcana @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean sieges are the fastest way to kill civilians afterall!
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@mischievoustomato @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @georgia @EvilSandmich @Will2Power do you care about anything other than cooming? lol
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christmas skibidi tomato
mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
@teratology @arcana @anemone @Will2Power @georgia @Diceyocean @EvilSandmich Technology (laptops, some software), music (listening and producing, a bit), gaming, anime, a bit of cooking too.
It's just that, how am I gonna care about something happening to people I'll never meet on a place I'll never go to?
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christmas skibidi tomato
mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
@anemone @arcana @Will2Power @teratology @georgia @Diceyocean @EvilSandmich no, i've always been like this, I've never cared about people I don't know
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georgia
georgia
@anemone @teratology @Will2Power @EvilSandmich @arcana @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean first off, youre trusting the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry with these numbers, secondly and more importantly, if the Gaza war is a genocide because of the hyperbolic statements of a few Israeli politicians, so was the Iraq war, and more notably, so was the Oct 7th massacre, because Hamas's charter contains an injunction to literally kill all Jews. I'll be convinced that Israel is engaging in a genocide if a fair international trial finds so, but I don't think it will.
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@mischievoustomato @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology that's pretty shitty of you ngl
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amenome
anemone@ebiverse.social@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @teratology@the.asbestos.cafe @Will2Power@poa.st @EvilSandmich@poa.st @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @Diceyocean@annihilation.social the figure you gave is from the gaza health ministry. The 180,000 figure is from the lancet.
Israels actions in gaza have 70-90% civillian (e.g. not hamas) casualties, including 10s of thousands of literal children. Furthermore Hamas only had power in gaza because of israeli support after they crushed previous secular rebellions.
also lol "fair international trial" aka one that sides with israel otherwise it's not "fair" give me a fucking break genocide apologist
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
@arcana @anemone @mischievoustomato @georgia @Wobbegong @unmind the reason the policies of Scandinavia wouldn’t work in Britain is because you got too many old guys screaming at clouds. And it’s seems next generation is also going to be old men screaming at clouds. It’s genetic and I am afraid it’s terminal. Same reason Spain will never have these policies of Scandinavia
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georgia
georgia
@anemone @teratology @Will2Power @EvilSandmich @arcana @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean that's not at all what I meant by fair but you do you.
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amenome
anemone@ebiverse.social@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @teratology@the.asbestos.cafe @Will2Power@poa.st @EvilSandmich@poa.st @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @Diceyocean@annihilation.social what did you mean then? Do you think the International Caucasian Court's arrest warrant for Netanyahu is legitimate?
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georgia
georgia
@anemone @teratology @Will2Power @EvilSandmich @arcana @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean yes I do. I think Israel has engaged in violations of the principle of proportionality and distinction, which are war crimes.
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amenome
anemone@ebiverse.social@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @teratology@the.asbestos.cafe @Will2Power@poa.st @EvilSandmich@poa.st @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @Diceyocean@annihilation.social and how do you feel about Israel directly disobeying the ICJ's rulling to prevent a genocide in gaza?
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georgia
georgia
@anemone @teratology @Will2Power @EvilSandmich @arcana @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean I just disagree that war crimes ≠ genocide. I think genocide needs to be targeted and not merely result from infrastructure collapse and collateral damage.
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amenome
anemone@ebiverse.social@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @teratology@the.asbestos.cafe @Will2Power@poa.st @EvilSandmich@poa.st @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @Diceyocean@annihilation.social Israel directly targets civillians for execution in addition to more "indirect" means of killing them, like cutting off food and water. Do you also consider the people who starved to death in nazi concentration camps to not be victims of genocide because they weren't directly killed?
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christmas skibidi tomato
mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
@georgia @arcana @anemone @Will2Power @teratology @Diceyocean @EvilSandmich idk why people make such a big fuss about it
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@mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @Will2Power@poa.st @teratology@the.asbestos.cafe @Diceyocean@annihilation.social @EvilSandmich@poa.st probably because some people have empathy and a conscience
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georgia
georgia
@anemone @teratology @Will2Power @EvilSandmich @arcana @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean they were in concentration camps made to kill them, unless you also count every WWII allied starvation death as a victim of genocide. I don't support shutting off food and utilities though.
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georgia
georgia
@anemone @teratology @Will2Power @EvilSandmich @arcana @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean I just haven't seen evidence of any direct targeting of civilians en masse as a matter of policy. most are killed because they were near a military target.
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amenome
anemone@ebiverse.social@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @teratology@the.asbestos.cafe @Will2Power@poa.st @EvilSandmich@poa.st @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @Diceyocean@annihilation.social so ONLY the jews killed specifically in the extermination/death camps count then?
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georgia
georgia
@anemone @teratology @Will2Power @EvilSandmich @arcana @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean or the ones who starved to death in ghettoes that were part of the Holocaust's infrastructure, or in killing fields by the SS, that's how they were killed. We don't count Jews killed in legitimate warfare or in non-Holocaust war crimes against the Soviets as "Holocaust deaths".
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amenome
anemone@ebiverse.social@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @teratology@the.asbestos.cafe @Will2Power@poa.st @EvilSandmich@poa.st @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @Diceyocean@annihilation.social "military targets" such as: refugee tents, hospitals, beaches with children playing on them, ambulances racing to pick up civillian children who had been shot by idf soldiers (i guess 6 year old girls are hamas) which they then provide no credible evidence for being legitimate military targets.
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georgia
georgia
@anemone @teratology @Will2Power @EvilSandmich @arcana @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean they make mistakes sometimes and those are egregious examples, yeah
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amenome
anemone@ebiverse.social@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @teratology@the.asbestos.cafe @Will2Power@poa.st @EvilSandmich@poa.st @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @Diceyocean@annihilation.social so intentional starvation counts when nazis do it but not when israel does it. give me a break
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amenome
anemone@ebiverse.social@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @teratology@the.asbestos.cafe @Will2Power@poa.st @EvilSandmich@poa.st @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @Diceyocean@annihilation.social so many mistakes that 90% of the people they kill are civillians.
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georgia
georgia
@anemone @teratology @Will2Power @EvilSandmich @arcana @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean literally tell me when Hitler allowed aid convoys and food deliveries into the concentration camps. Israel limits food and utilities but hasn't outright banned them.
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@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @teratology@the.asbestos.cafe @Will2Power@poa.st @EvilSandmich@poa.st @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @Diceyocean@annihilation.social and that's IF we take their word for it, which I don't so it's probably higher tbh
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amenome
anemone@ebiverse.social@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @teratology@the.asbestos.cafe @Will2Power@poa.st @EvilSandmich@poa.st @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @Diceyocean@annihilation.social israel literally kills aid workers attempting to deliver food
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@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @teratology@the.asbestos.cafe @Will2Power@poa.st @EvilSandmich@poa.st @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @Diceyocean@annihilation.social they literally kill UN workers. more UN personnel have been killed in the Israel-Gaza conflict than the entire previous history of the UN
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georgia
georgia
@anemone @teratology @Will2Power @EvilSandmich @arcana @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean its a very densely populated area 70-90 percent civilian casualties is not unreasonable.
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amenome
anemone@ebiverse.social@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @teratology@the.asbestos.cafe @Will2Power@poa.st @EvilSandmich@poa.st @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @Diceyocean@annihilation.social This is a genuinely deranged thing to say. You should be deeply ashamed to have even thought this, let alone typed it and hit send
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georgia
georgia
@anemone @teratology @Will2Power @EvilSandmich @arcana @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean if their policy were as you present it all of Gaza would have starved after a year of fighting
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology concentration camps do also receive food and there were allied soldiers and prisoners in concentration camps, concentration camps and extermination camps are not the same thing.
There were no extermination camps west of what of became the iron curtain, only concentration camps, and based on how they were run, Gaza would qualify as one
There were no extermination camps west of what of became the iron curtain, only concentration camps, and based on how they were run, Gaza would qualify as one
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georgia
georgia
@anemone @teratology @Will2Power @EvilSandmich @arcana @mischievoustomato @Diceyocean I genuinely think most other countries fighting in the same circumstances would not have performed differently. It seems like you're unfamiliar with the history of warfare, civilian casualties are the norm.
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology I’m going to play Devil’s Advocate here and ask then why was it such an issue a few thousand were killed on October 7th? Surely civilian casualties are the norm and that’s just part of the war?
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@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology 70% civilian death isn’t normal, especially in modern warfare, unless you are like trying to carpet bomb entire towns(which is out of vogue in modern warfare)
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@eemmaa @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology 70 percent was the civilian death toll in Iraq
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@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology yes, but that was largely attributed to insurgent groups, and that rate is considered bad
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@eemmaa @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology that's fair. again I admit Israel has violated the principles of distinction and proportionality, I just think it takes more than that to call something a genocide.
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@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology i mean.. like.. it seems like they have purposefully deprived the Palestinians for a long time, then they moved on to kill them. It feels like early wwII and the move from ghettos -> camps -> death as a third party observer.
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@eemmaa @Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @georgia @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology Yea, a great deal of that came after the actual invasion in 2003, in the period of 2003 to 2011 and was overwhelmingly caused by groups like ISIS
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@arcana @Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @georgia @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology i believe that was also our last use of carpet bombing, with operation shock and awe
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@arcana @Diceyocean @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @anemone @georgia @mischievoustomato @teratology and also shock and awe has been looked back on as immoral by most sane people
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@eemmaa @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology you're suggesting some genocidal master plan which simply doesn't exist as well as a scale which also doesn't exist. they're overly reactive to terrorism and that's responsible for the "siege" on Gaza which is also implemented by Egypt. I don't support it but comparing it to an extermination camp is hyperbole.
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology Ultimately, they’re killing so many as a punitive response.
Much like the Mongols used to do such as when they quite literally wiped the Khwarazmian Empire and all of its people off the map due to them killing an emissary.
I would consider both of those things to be genocide.
I also think it’s laughable that they have such deep integration and intelligence into the supply chains and infrastructure of Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, that they can just eradicate their leadership in a week with exploding devices or listen in on basically everything Hamas are saying yet they somehow are simultaneously killing 70+% civilians as mistakes.
Much like the Mongols used to do such as when they quite literally wiped the Khwarazmian Empire and all of its people off the map due to them killing an emissary.
I would consider both of those things to be genocide.
I also think it’s laughable that they have such deep integration and intelligence into the supply chains and infrastructure of Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, that they can just eradicate their leadership in a week with exploding devices or listen in on basically everything Hamas are saying yet they somehow are simultaneously killing 70+% civilians as mistakes.
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@eemmaa @Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @georgia @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology > A dossier released by Iraq Body Count, a project of the U.K. non-governmental non-violent and disarmament organization Oxford Research Group, attributed approximately 6,616 civilian deaths to the actions of U.S.-led forces during the "invasion phase", including the shock-and-awe bombing campaign on Baghdad.
Even that was nowhere near the amount of civilians killed in Gazas by a huge margin
Even that was nowhere near the amount of civilians killed in Gazas by a huge margin
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@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology genocidal master plans also didnt seem to exist until looking back in hindsight after the war, they were just seeking to deport them and maintain them inside ghettos as far as most people knew at that time.
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georgia
georgia
@arcana @Diceyocean @anemone @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology If they had such good integration into and command over Hamas they would've prevented the Oct 7 attacks.
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@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology what if they let it happen like they let 911 happen.
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology by that definition the Rwandan Genocide wouldn’t be a genocide either, neither would the Mongol Empires destruction of the Khwarazmian Empire. Your definition only really covers things like the Nazis and is an extremely thin genocide definition
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@eemmaa @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology if a genocidal master plan comes out I'll condemn it. I hate genocide. its the worst crime in the world. I just don't see it everywhere like people on the political fringes.
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@eemmaa @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology youre joking right
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@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology barely, i think intelligence agencies often have strong holds on government agencies and part of being in intelligence agencies is being largely immoral and constructing insane conspiracies on purpose (foia releases its not like that shit just stops cause they admit to doing it 20 years ago). They might know about something happening and view letting it happen as expedient to other goals.
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georgia
georgia
@arcana @Diceyocean @anemone @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology alright you've just convinced me this is an argument over semantics.
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@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology they do, they wanted it to happen. Israel has many times said Hamas is an asset to them, a justification to abuse and exterminate the palestinians so they can finally get rid of them using the extreme option (war) https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
https://www.thenationalnews.com/mena/palestine-israel/2024/01/23/israel-bezalel-smotrich-hamas-asset/
Mossad, one of the most advanced intelligence agencies, couldn't prevent an attack on what is essentially their own soil by a bunch of terrorists with pagers, which they've called assets before. absolutely impossible.
https://www.thenationalnews.com/mena/palestine-israel/2024/01/23/israel-bezalel-smotrich-hamas-asset/
Mossad, one of the most advanced intelligence agencies, couldn't prevent an attack on what is essentially their own soil by a bunch of terrorists with pagers, which they've called assets before. absolutely impossible.
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@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology its not isolated to the political fringe, even boomer left wingers are going "i think something bad might be happening over in palestine"
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georgia
georgia
@meso @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology that's just a conspiracy theory. Israelis care about other Israelis more than they hate Palestinians, that I'm sure of.
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@georgia @Diceyocean @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @anemone @arcana @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @teratology they got rid of the ideological non-islamist parties and propped up and funded terrorists like Hamas, to paint the Palestinians as violent, which is actually pretty normal for the situation they're in but Hamas isn't the way. you need public and international support for this type of war
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@eemmaa @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology that doesn't mean that bad thing is a genocide as opposed to what I see it as, which is war crimes
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology like seriously, your “genocide means a large amount of your population being exterminated specifically in extermination camp” would make it so that Jews would basically be the only people in history with a claim of genocide
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@Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @georgia @EvilSandmich only glow niggers and mossad backed militants are beefing with Assad in Syria.
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@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology that is not a conspiracy theory, that is what the israeli government and defense minister have said. hearing shit like this is what cemented my opinion about them, motherfuckers totally let that shit happen.
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@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology im just saying, thinking this is starting to feel like a genocide is not a fringe belief in the US at the moment. The idea that it is fringe is only held by government officials.
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Bunsen
Bunsen@poa.st
@Terry @Diceyocean @EvilSandmich @anemone @arcana @georgia @mischievoustomato Assad is taking out the trash and doing humanity a favor.
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georgia
georgia
@arcana @Diceyocean @anemone @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology that's not my definition, my definition is intent to exterminate a people and success at exterminating the whole or part of a people. I think theres a huge amount of excess death in Gaza, but I'm not convinced its intentional.
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georgia
georgia
@meso @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology its a conspiracy that they let Oct 7 happen, yes
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@eemmaa @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology I havent seen it in a single mainstream US news source
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Diceyocean@annihilation.social
Diceyocean@annihilation.social
@Terry @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @georgia @EvilSandmich they allied with ISIS the west to bring down Assad. And ISIS is totally on board with Israel. The white helmets was a glow operation. The only reason Syria is demolished, including some of the oldest cities existing is because of Israeli interests in region as master plan. Syria was basically like Spain before war. Thriving economy and tons of tourists. Functional institutions. But no, the Jewish master plan went in gear
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@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology yes, but it is the most likely scenario
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@georgia @Diceyocean @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @anemone @arcana @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @teratology conspiracy doesn't mean bad or wrong, just most of the time it is bad or wrong eg antivax or qanon
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georgia
georgia
@meso @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology agree to disagree I suppose
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@Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @georgia @EvilSandmich they plan on converting the rubble of Gaza, Lebanon and Syria into beachfront property and you're going to pay for it.
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology I am genuinely curious as to why did they had no idea such a big attack was about to happen when they have one of the best intelligence agencies in the world which we know as fact has actively compromised Hamas and Hezbollah’s communication devices. I remember watching the news like a week after October 7th and they were listening in on Hamas commanders discussing things and showing how they planned to strike back against them. Also they have Gaza under basically 24/7 surveillance.
With all the false flags in history that states have carried out and all the top secret stuff they’ve pulled, and you don’t think that maybe the Israeli state allowed a few thousand of their own civilians to die to manufacture a cause belli? They quite literally had that as official doctrine years ago, it was called the Hannibal Directive.
With all the false flags in history that states have carried out and all the top secret stuff they’ve pulled, and you don’t think that maybe the Israeli state allowed a few thousand of their own civilians to die to manufacture a cause belli? They quite literally had that as official doctrine years ago, it was called the Hannibal Directive.
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georgia
georgia
@arcana @Diceyocean @anemone @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology I think if they did this, we'll find out eventually. The Gaza war has been horrible for Israel though, it was warming with the Saudis before the Oct 7 attacks and now the West has become much more opposed to Israel because of its war crimes. I just don't see a sane state doing something like that.
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@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology do you really think someone like Netanyahu is sane
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @meso @teratology they literally had the Hannibal Directive. The state cares more about furthering its goals than some people they’ll see as worthy martyrs
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georgia
georgia
@meso @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology I think his actions comport with desperately trying to save his own political future in the midst of allegations of corruption
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georgia
georgia
@arcana @Diceyocean @anemone @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @meso @teratology how does a war in Gaza further Israel's goals if they can neutralize Hamas as easily as you say? Its not like Israelis care about Gazan land, there are no settlements there.
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@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology if they neutralized Hamas, Palestine would not be a problem to Israel that they'd be justified in wiping out, they could peacefully coexist on the same land. but they don't want that I think.
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology Yes, like most of this stuff, it will be partially declassified in like 50 years and they’ll be like “oopsy, we did do this back then, but we totally aren’t like that any more, promise”
The hilarious thing everybody believes is that intelligence agencies did all this kind of thing in the past but had a moral change of heart and suddenly stopped conveniently right after the date of the last declassification or leak
The hilarious thing everybody believes is that intelligence agencies did all this kind of thing in the past but had a moral change of heart and suddenly stopped conveniently right after the date of the last declassification or leak
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georgia
georgia
@meso @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology I wish they wanted that but I also doubt they do. I think they want to keep all the settlements.
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology also I think their PR has backfired massively which is the reason for that
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @meso @teratology it’s been a constant annoyance in their side for decades and they want stronger control over it and to punish them, this is giving them that
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@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology i think their doctrine is to have all of that land be israel, which destroying palestine and its people who are so keen on keeping that land would achieve
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@arcana @Diceyocean @anemone @mischievoustomato @georgia @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology just a crazy conspiracy theorist 😩
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georgia
georgia
@arcana @Diceyocean @anemone @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @meso @teratology why would they want to punish them for the Oct 7 attacks when they could've just prevented them and punished them a little bit for trying? I just don't get it at all.
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@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology they want to destroy them
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georgia
georgia
@meso @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology but there are no Jewish settlements in Gaza
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@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology doesn't matter, they're a pain in the ass
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @meso @teratology punish them for the previous years and just generally being a thorn in their side, and because it helps them expand the wider conflict against Hezbollah and Iran, and also because you’ve said it yourself, Netanyahu wants to remain in power and a war is a great way to do that
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@meso @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @georgia @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology
>Only in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave anything that breathes alive.
>Only in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave anything that breathes alive.
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georgia
georgia
@meso @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology Yes Hamas is a pain in the ass, but how are Gazan civilians a pain in the ass? In a way that makes it worth losing over a thousand Israelis?
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@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology cuz theyre not israelis
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@georgia @Diceyocean @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @anemone @arcana @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @teratology just like they drive out non-israelis from settlements elsewhere and harass them
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georgia
georgia
@arcana @Diceyocean @anemone @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @meso @teratology there were Jewish settlements in Gaza but they were all dismantled as part of the Israeli withdrawal. then Gaza had elections and Hamas won and never held future elections and the rest is history. Why go over all that again? It just seems like a lot to exchange for nothing but bloodshed and a poor international reputation.
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@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @teratology >It just seems like a lot to exchange for nothing but bloodshed and a poor international reputation.
you assume they work rationally. you would be surprised how far delusion can take a group of people with power. or any person really
most of the conflicts post-WW2 that the US has been in have lead to nothing but bloodshed and a tolerable international reputation. not really odd at all Israel would do something horrible out of a delusional ideology
you assume they work rationally. you would be surprised how far delusion can take a group of people with power. or any person really
most of the conflicts post-WW2 that the US has been in have lead to nothing but bloodshed and a tolerable international reputation. not really odd at all Israel would do something horrible out of a delusional ideology
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @meso @teratology well again, it personally helps Netanyahu for start, and secondly it allows them even stronger control over Gaza in the future
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@meso @Diceyocean @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @anemone @arcana @georgia @mischievoustomato @teratology
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOFRNGlEB6k
very informative of israelies opinions on race and racism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOFRNGlEB6k
very informative of israelies opinions on race and racism
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>he is using barrel bombs on civillians
X to doubt. They said the same thing about Saddam, he was gassing the Kurds. Except everyone is familiar with the whole slew of lies used to overthrow Hussein.
IIRC, the OPCW even backtracked on their Syrian claims. Assad is loved by his people (and that includes Christians).
X to doubt. They said the same thing about Saddam, he was gassing the Kurds. Except everyone is familiar with the whole slew of lies used to overthrow Hussein.
IIRC, the OPCW even backtracked on their Syrian claims. Assad is loved by his people (and that includes Christians).
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@georgia @Diceyocean @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @anemone @eemmaa @meso @mischievoustomato @teratology not to mention that even if we don’t know the exact motives, we again are faced with the absurd weirdness that they have all the leadership including the guy they said was the mastermind behind the attack wiretapped and compromised, and have the place under 24/7 surveillance, and somehow the whole thing was never detected.
Occam’s Razor.
Occam’s Razor.
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@eemmaa @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @meso @teratology the haredi are something like 20 percent of Israeli society. this is hardly informative on what normative Israelis think and its dangerous to assume you know someone else thinks theyre better than you.
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georgia
georgia
@arcana @Diceyocean @anemone @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @meso @teratology seems like you're all in on that conspiracy theory. 
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@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @meso @teratology in any other western nation publicly expressing opinions like that about others is largely more taboo. It being not taboo to do that suggest a larger systemic issue within the country.
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @meso @teratology it’s quite literally just Occam’s razor and assessing evidence with my own eyes
Please explain to me even one explanation for how Mossad infiltrated Hamas’ infrastructure to the point they could remotely listen in on them and pinpoint all of their leadership as well as causing said devices to blow up, and yet had no idea an attack the scale of October 7th was coming?
Please explain to me even one explanation for how Mossad infiltrated Hamas’ infrastructure to the point they could remotely listen in on them and pinpoint all of their leadership as well as causing said devices to blow up, and yet had no idea an attack the scale of October 7th was coming?
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georgia
georgia
@arcana @Diceyocean @anemone @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @meso @teratology you might be right i just try not to believe conspiracy theories without a lot of evidence
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @eemmaa @mischievoustomato @EvilSandmich @Will2Power @meso @teratology I mean I’d say there’s a lot of evidence pointing towards this one tbh
You don’t have to be completely convinced but it’s a matter of Occam’s Razor as I keep saying. There’s just no good explanation against it and it’s not even unprecedented (see the Hannibal Directive as mentioned)
You don’t have to be completely convinced but it’s a matter of Occam’s Razor as I keep saying. There’s just no good explanation against it and it’s not even unprecedented (see the Hannibal Directive as mentioned)
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EvilSandmich
EvilSandmich@poa.st
@MCMLXVIIOTG @georgia @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @mischievoustomato Another big ”tell” is the complete lack of gratitude from the Tiny hats. The South Koreans built a monument to Truman while the Jews build guilt museums in every city in every country that liberated them from these supposed death camps.
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EvilSandmich
EvilSandmich@poa.st
@georgia @Flegel @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @Will2Power Good deal, I need more people on here to make me feel smart 🍻
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georgia
georgia
@EvilSandmich @Diceyocean @anemone @arcana @Flegel @Will2Power nah ive proven you wrong. all you have is gut feelings and hearsay. but keep dreaming big!
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