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who up harrowing they hell

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i love the harrowing so much..

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@lizzie isnt the harrowing of hell kind of unfair? like that people before it were just in hell because no jesus but people after werent? but I guess its weird that Jesus's salvatory act is bound in a particular point in time if God exists beyond time and is omniscient (prescient). this is why I think its useful to see Christianity in particular devoted belief in christs status as a vicariously suffering sin offering as a particular valid bhakti in a timeless line of valid bhaktis, not as the sole means of salvation set in an arbitrary time with a before and after.
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@georgia i mean, time is more of a tool for understanding. views vary but i dont think it actually happened within time

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@georgia though baptism being an intrusion into time does change the relationship within time as well yeah. the idea there is more about God working within and through the world to weave it into something new than God only now decided people can be saved

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