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@lain India number one

@georgia @lain yet half the country still shits outdoors and they dump dead bodies in the ganges. that's odd

@meowski @lain keep trashing the next superpower while they'll stay winning

@georgia @lain i want them to do well and clean up their own country before exporting billions of street shitters to the west.

@meowski @lain @georgia % change in GDP doesn't measure quality of life

@lain

@meowski @lain yeah I'm not gonna debate this issue with someone arguing from a basis of racism

@georgia @lain wrong assumption- i don't actually hate their race. some indians are fine people. i have a few indian friends and have worked with some very smart indians. they have major cultural problems and have a limit of how many of them i want as my neighbors because of their cultural practices. i love psytrance and that is very indian-influenced. it's more nuanced than you might think

@meowski @lain @georgia Look a lot of the other bullshit is correct and the country is a masaive shithole
but the streetshitting stuff is massively overstated, most of the shit is due to an excess of street dogs which arent culled at all because performative ahimsa and utterly incompetent and worse than useless government

You can picture the problems of india as a mix of the shit in eastern europe, south america, Africa all wrapped up in an utterl messy anglo style government, with a lot of the most asinine socialist stuff. (For example half of our politicians are illiterate criminal mafiabosses, and a significanr percentage are booked for heinous crimes?)?

Add to that the insistence towards a half language english and make it the medium of education and beurocracy and a massive illiterate population that wasnt ready for democracy.

I can seriously say that people here arent as retarted and dirty as it seems it's just that every thing is a fine tuned mess to maximise the absolute worst :/

@meowski @lain "street shitter" is a slur so you sounded racist. India is partly a developing nation like China recently was, there are deleterious practices in the way of life of the poor there. and some sexist practices, but vedic culture is mostly pro-women.

@meeper @meowski @lain @georgia yeah I think people really misrepresent Indians just cause theyre brown. It's funny but like they ain't street shitters unironically

@georgia @meowski @lain there is a TV show about an Indian child bride with 13,000 episodes it's not "some" sexist things

@meeper @meowski @lain ahimsa is based, they just need TNR to control the dog population

@meso @lain @meowski @meeper meeper would you say acid attacks and rape are declining since the government increased punishment for them?

@georgia @lain @meeper @meowski FAIR

@meso @lain @meeper @meowski it was a genuine question

@meeper @lain @georgia all i can speak to is what i see in endless videos and it's basically trash and street shitting. in a country of 2 billion people you are going to have a variety and i understand some areas are more modern. wikipedia says "On 2 October 2019, all 35 states and union territories were declared defecation free."

yet all i see is poor sanitation and infrastructure. severe overpopulation, high pollution, and low quality of life

i would like to go there sometime just to check it out (goa)

@georgia @lain shitting in the streets isn't limited to one race. i don't hate chinese as a race either but i sure do not like their totalitarian communist culture.

@meowski @lain @georgia

You see the worst of the worst, its like showing junkie ghettos in new york and most of it is in genuine bad faith which is eqsy to show when the situationis extremely nuanced. (Also see that one video comparing Dehli metro with new york, (somewhat propaganda but its not too far from reality at least for the non shithole stations)
Basically due to a bunch of bullshit outside world isnt mantained and well. off families only mantain their own houses.Also we have a lot of homeless people migration from villages and they occupy the streets and what not and since the governmenr just wont do any public infrastructure and mantainence andpeople have the whole socialist not my problem attitude things just deteriorate

Though hard to explain exactly but the migrants are still actually more civilises and cultured and not really junkies but barely mantained public infra and beurocracy just doesnt mix well with middle of nowhere mess of a poor villiage

A bunch more nuance and problems. I want to write a whole essay about what

@meowski @georgia the other half of the country is more people than europe

@genmaicha @meowski @georgia it's a decent proxy

@meeper @meowski @lain reminds me of this cringe lefty meme, you can do "this country is better than that country" with pretty much any place if you know where to capture

@meeper @lain @georgia i always assumed that in the west we see some of the best indians since they're the ones who have the resources to migrate here

i am fully aware that videos online aren't necessarily representative of the whole country- but the fact that you have trash-filled rivers *anywhere* is rather disturbing and speaks volumes

@meowski @georgia @meeper i think the biggest misconceptions people have about india is that 'india' is actually a thing beyond a government and propaganda machine that desperately wants to keep their authority

@lain @georgia maybe they should help the poor half by building sewers and trash collecting infrastructure instead of trying to have a space program

@lain @meowski @meeper yeah India is a subcontinent with vast differences, even the hinduism that unites much of them is incredibly rich and varied by local culture

@lain @georgia @meeper it's a very odd culture. on the one hand you have a lot of decent hard working people, on the other hand they have a lot of people falling through the cracks of society living like animals. high rates of consanguinous marriage and rape. overall i wouldn't want to live there, just based off my admittedly skewed view from indians i know, and media

@meowski @lain @georgia It's be

Trash filled rivers is honestly a mix of

Half development disease (see like 1800 london ig)
governments being corrupt and retarted and not doing anything about industrial and landfill dump.

A population that's utterly lost it's virtue (due to absolute bullshit politics, poverty utter debasement of local structures and cultura and ways of running and forcing an incompatible system) (one of the major reasons that british rule fucked over india, and that indians fucked over even worse post british) (also add to that the over idealit founders adopting some of the most retarted forms of socialism

I mean see old accounts (before the post revolt of 1857 slander) and Indomania.

Early india was portrayed as extremely virttuos and likeely pre islamic india was moreso (Not going sanghi here there is a lot of nuance :/)

It's actually quite clear when you consider that most of the literature of the immediately pre british era was simple faith and virtue (actually hard to explain tbh?)

@lain @meowski @georgia

A lot more complicated than that tbh.
And depends on location.

In the end despite all the bullshit the INC did succeed in creating a country that won't ever yugoslav despite being an infintely more chaotic mess

I really can't understate how every topic pertaining to india is like an onion of important nuance. that I feel forced to write a pseudo essay

It's really just a chaotic interplay of things:/

@lain @meowski @georgia maybe raw GDP is a proxy, but not % change

@genmaicha @meowski @georgia i still think it's a good indicator.

@meowski @lain @georgia Really depends on who and where you are.

I live in a weird comfy intersection place hard t state but it's a nice upper middle class area it's decently clean yet still has the local nonesense, caste group stuff, dependence on street smarts etc.

In the end india is a very high context culture. but if you find the right place it's honest to goodness comfortable :/

It's like africa-south america chaos but in a somewhat developed anglo-govenrment country.


Really hard to explain tbh unless you actually see for yourself (and ig be guided by someone who actually knows and appreciates the place)

@meowski @lain @georgia

> i always assumed that in the west we see some of the best indians since they're the ones who have the resources to migrate here

Partlly true at some point the swindlers found their way in the pipeline and you had a bunch of subpar folk coming in and probably still do ig.

Around pre like 2008 afaik, Indian Americans were like the highest IQ group or something (IQ is a bullshit metric regardless though)

@meeper @lain @georgia indian friend tried to convince me to move there and i'm glad i didn't. i don't tolerate livng in a polluted environment very well.

@meeper @lain @georgia right it used to be like that but now with illegal immigration floodgates opened by the biden admin a lot of unsavory people came in.

that is partly why we're becoming more isolationist. we've had enough of people coming here to shit on our streets and scam our welfare system

@meowski @lain @meeper most people just come here for jobs and money to send back to their families and eventually to move their families here. saying they come to "shit on our streets" is wrong and disgusting.

@meowski @lain @georgia yeah, won't say my family didn't regret coming back here, but Ig i've more or less adapted (even my mom who has asthama lol)

@meowski @lain @georgia I mean it's fair, anyone from my fathers generation or around that would say so lol. People from that generation were honestly really honest and kinda had a naive but open mind

@georgia @meowski @lain @meeper remittances drain wealth from the host nation, and immigration affects the nation's culture, often in arguably negative ways.

@georgia @lain @meeper the majority of illegal immigrants are on some form of welfare. i wish people did just come here to work and for opportunity like it used to be before the democrats deliberately flooded our country with the absolute garbage of the world to create a permanent voting majority

@meowski @georgia @meeper if you don't give immigrants welfare and actually throw out criminals, you'll have a universally good experience with nearly all immigrants. western countries often stopped doing that (or even did the reverse, where it's easier to come if you're a criminal) and so they are becoming more anti-immigrant and xenophobic because they have good reasons to be so.

@lain @georgia @meeper it's such a no-brainer to prevent immigrants and especially illegals from receiving welfare. i make some exception for children just because it's uncivilized to deny children basic necessities because they didn't ask to be brought here. adults can screw off back to their home countries. i can't be expected to take care of every homeless mental patient in the entire world

@meowski @georgia @meeper it's a no brainer and the results are obvious too, but politics is about violence so that's what you get

@lain @georgia @meeper they're trying to win at any cost even if it means total debasement of the culture. he's pandering to his constitutents (illegal immigrant voters) and radical leftists with child-like understanding of the world. they simply promise you a bunch of free stuff to vote for them.

if this guy wins, it'll be a horror show for new york which has already been suffering from illegal immigration

@lain @meowski @georgia @meeper Descent into madness. NYC deserves this

@meowski @georgia @meeper sic semper democatriis

@lain @meowski @georgia @meeper There were entire areas of India which had problems with political violence which the government couldn't get under control for decades. And that's just violent resistance, there's plenty of plenty of spaces outside of government control.

@georgia @meowski @lain @meeper Even Hinduism can actively divide the country, since you have large religious minorities like the Sikh.

@besserwisser @meowski @lain @georgia Most of the issues of sikh-hindus are the 1980s riot and khakistani stuff and tbh a lot of it was causes by (both actions and the bullshit during the creation of) pakistan

(Sikhs had it quite bad during the partition, for example my own family lost all of their assets my great grandfather wqs murdered, Grandfatger had to flee andwas basically raised by his grandmother as his mother lost it due to shock)