these christians who hate and deny Gods love, Christ would say he never knew you

@georgia

You’re not even a Christian last I checked Georgia.

Also what is “love” in the biblical definition? It’s not what you think it is

@FailurePersonified most of my beliefs can be renconciled with different christian traditions actually, though i dont consider myself a christian. I believe jesus is God. I'm just a monist panentheist and I believe in karma and trasmigration of souls and the ultimate liberation of all beings who return to God.

@FailurePersonified I disagree about love, look up agape. Gods love isnt less than ours, its much higher.

@georgia I’m aware of the Greek but what I’m asking is more to do with how does God show His love throughout scripture.

@georgia so you are outside of the Church but have a notion of God (do you have a notion of Jesus?)

@FailurePersonified God literally became a person and literally died for mankind so we might worship him as a suffering servant and so we might know true love and friendship. verses of the old testament which show a cruel God I simply dont believe, I'm not a believer in scriptural innerancy, I believe some scripture has human origin.

@FailurePersonified I do have a concept of jesus yes

@georgia

Oh so you are similar to a Marcionite.

I don’t really have anything to debate concerning that ideation. I affirm that God is the same in the Old and New and I don’t see God as cruel in anyway.

Studied the OT for about 15 yrs now and it’s pretty clear what is descriptive, consequential, and what is prescriptive. Most people think God is cruel because they assume He’s prescribing something and not describing a logical outcome.

@georgia

It’s a strange but not surprising view

@georgia “you will surely die” is often read as “I’ll kill you” which gets people into trouble real quick

@FailurePersonified I'm NOTHING like a marcionite what the fuck dude. I dont believe in two Gods and that the old testament God is a demiurge. I just believe that the bible isnt perfect, although some of it is from God.

@FailurePersonified well, much of it is from God, but some things I believe God would never do, like kill all the firstborn of a people.

@georgia

I don’t really have too much of an issue of someone being taken out of this world by their maker since He controls the full pipeline from birth to eternity.
If God took me tomorrow (killing me) and I wake up chilling with Him I don’t think that’s too bad honestly.

I see what you are saying tho, you believe that the people writing about God can get it wrong.
What’s weird about that is that there is no objectivity that you can have with the scriptures

>verses of the old testament which show a cruel God
What are you talking about? Are you a Marcionite? God is just as merciful in the Old Testament as he is in the New and is just as wrathful in the New Testament as he is in the Old. God literally delivered the Hebrews from slavery in Exodus and didn't slaughter every single one of them when they immediately started worshiping golden idols. He didn't kill Adam and Eve when they fell, He allowed Cain to live after he murdered Abel (instead making him merely unable to farm). He didn't kill David for all his adulteries and murders. Humanity isn't totally exterminated during the Flood, being preserved via Noah. Do you know how the New Testament ends? It ends with a vision of all the dead being raised, all human beings who ever lived being judged before God, believers entering the World to Come, and all unbelievers being cast into the lake of fire to be tormented forever and ever. I think being tormented forever and ever rejected by the Lord is a more severe punishment than anything that happens in the Old Testament, do you? This doesn't even bring up things like Ananias and Sapphria being killed by God for lying, or God killing Herod for blasphemy.