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and if you don't have type o negative, you can at least listen to type o negative
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXIWRan3XGY
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@kaia i wonder how far i could get before i get on hormones and get presumably disqualified
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@kaia woah 18 liters get you free public transport in warsaw that's pog
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@aetios here if you volunteer the first time, you get tested for blood type, Rh and infections, then receive a credit card like blood donator card that has your blood type.
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@romin here if you volunteer the first time, you get tested for blood type, Rh and infections for free, then receive a credit card like blood donator card that has your blood type (also good for emergencies)
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@kaia >here if you volunteer the first time, you get tested for blood type, Rh and infections for free
I'm not sure, but in many countries it seems that demand you run proprietary malware to register for donating and then analyze the blood via machines that run proprietary software, which clearly isn't free in any way.
I'm fairly certain that there's a profit made from each blood bag transfused and you would think that they would have the decency to pass some of the profit to the donator, but of course not.
I'm not sure, but in many countries it seems that demand you run proprietary malware to register for donating and then analyze the blood via machines that run proprietary software, which clearly isn't free in any way.
I'm fairly certain that there's a profit made from each blood bag transfused and you would think that they would have the decency to pass some of the profit to the donator, but of course not.
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@Suiseiseki
so you are even more extreme than Stallman who I understand does not care about proprietary software as long as he does not have to touch it himself?
so you are even more extreme than Stallman who I understand does not care about proprietary software as long as he does not have to touch it himself?
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@Suiseiseki @kaia here in redactedland you get free lunch!
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@Suiseiseki @kaia
>I'm fairly certain that there's a profit made from each blood bag transfused and you would think that they would have the decency to pass some of the profit to the donator, but of course not.
i get 20-40€ per bag when i donate at a hospital. only when u go to an l̶̶e̶̶e̶̶c̶̶h̶̶e̶̶r̶ NGO like the german red cross u get nothing. sometimes a drink or so
>I'm fairly certain that there's a profit made from each blood bag transfused and you would think that they would have the decency to pass some of the profit to the donator, but of course not.
i get 20-40€ per bag when i donate at a hospital. only when u go to an l̶̶e̶̶e̶̶c̶̶h̶̶e̶̶r̶ NGO like the german red cross u get nothing. sometimes a drink or so
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grillchen
grillchen@brotka.st
@Suiseiseki @kaia oh and i think they test on some diseases. like hiv and co. but not as vast as an actual std test
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@kaia rms isn't bothered about proprietary software that doesn't run on his computer or do his computing, although he points out the owner of such computers should be doing such computation with free software for their own freedom's sake.
rms doesn't like uploading his private information unencrypted onto someone else's computer mind you.
I hold similar views - although I realize that certain things being proprietary indirectly affects me, even if such isn't my computer or doing my computation.
With the blood testing machines, the problem isn't merely that the machines runs proprietary software, it's that your blood contains a lot of information about you that should be private and shouldn't end up in the wrong hands and there's a chance that the software in a modern blood testing machine is designed to send such information specifically into the wrong hands (as there really isn't any consequences for producing a machine that does that unless such spyware feature can be undeniably proved).
Even if the testing machines themselves don't contain spyware and actually just test a blood sample of unknown origin and print a tag of the type, a lot of hospitals/clinics send test results through spyware operation systems and mail servers like windows and outlook.
Furthermore, a lot of the time the test results are sent over insecure channels like SMS (<identifiable phone number> Hi <name>, your blood test on <x date> turned out to be <blood type>).
Really, the usage of proprietary software in medical institutions should be criminalized for many reasons, but that'll never happen.
Thankfully GNU is doing something about this issue with GNU Health, but it seems that few clinics use it.
rms doesn't like uploading his private information unencrypted onto someone else's computer mind you.
I hold similar views - although I realize that certain things being proprietary indirectly affects me, even if such isn't my computer or doing my computation.
With the blood testing machines, the problem isn't merely that the machines runs proprietary software, it's that your blood contains a lot of information about you that should be private and shouldn't end up in the wrong hands and there's a chance that the software in a modern blood testing machine is designed to send such information specifically into the wrong hands (as there really isn't any consequences for producing a machine that does that unless such spyware feature can be undeniably proved).
Even if the testing machines themselves don't contain spyware and actually just test a blood sample of unknown origin and print a tag of the type, a lot of hospitals/clinics send test results through spyware operation systems and mail servers like windows and outlook.
Furthermore, a lot of the time the test results are sent over insecure channels like SMS (<identifiable phone number> Hi <name>, your blood test on <x date> turned out to be <blood type>).
Really, the usage of proprietary software in medical institutions should be criminalized for many reasons, but that'll never happen.
Thankfully GNU is doing something about this issue with GNU Health, but it seems that few clinics use it.
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@Suiseiseki that makes sense 
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Lucy [hiatus era] 𒌋𒁯
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@Suiseiseki @kaia
I'm not sure, but in many countries it seems that demand you run proprietary malware:
>save someones life
>or not it because it requires proprietary software
>I'm fairly certain that there's a profit made from each blood bag transfused and you would think that they would have the decency to pass some of the profit to the donator, but of course not.
I get a free breakfast, tax cuts for a few things and most importantly the feeling that I probably saved someones life.
I'm not sure, but in many countries it seems that demand you run proprietary malware:
>save someones life
>or not it because it requires proprietary software
>I'm fairly certain that there's a profit made from each blood bag transfused and you would think that they would have the decency to pass some of the profit to the donator, but of course not.
I get a free breakfast, tax cuts for a few things and most importantly the feeling that I probably saved someones life.
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Lucy [hiatus era] 𒌋𒁯
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@Suiseiseki @kaia Also I don't do it for money and honestly you really shouldn't.
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@kaia can i go to a doctors office and just ask them to test my blood or somehting
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Phantasm
phnt@fluffytail.org
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@phnt >save someones life >or not it because it requires proprietary software
You seem to have taken a massive imaginative leap there.
Even assuming that someone's life wasn't saved because you decided not to volunteer to donate blood, as the cost of surrendering part of your freedom was too steep, that's not your fault - that's the fault of the proprietary malware authors and the blood collectors who demand such a steep price to make a donation (after all, there are endless options for freedom respecting scheduling).
>I get a free breakfast
The breakfast is made out of proprietary ingredients and unless it's a big and nutritive breakfast, you're arguably going to end up expending more energy and nutrients regenerating the lost blood than what you get out of the breakfast.
>tax cuts for a few things
| guess that's fine.
>most importantly the feeling that I probably saved someones life.
I'm not sure about specific blood usage stats, but I remember reading articles nothing that if type O- blood is available, that's preferred, as that avoids having to test the blood and match the correct type, which kind of implies that other kinds of blood are often unused until the "usage expiry" passes and is therefore wasted.
Plasma donations seem to have a more complete usage rate, although that requires a bigger needle.
>I don't do it for money and honestly you really shouldn't.
Donating disease-free blood that is to be used for good results, in exchange for a reasonable amount of money is an entirely honest and ethical practice, so I don't see any reason why you "really shouldn't".
You clearly shouldn't donate so much blood that you become anemic, or screw up your iron levels, but that isn't hard to do.
You seem to have taken a massive imaginative leap there.
Even assuming that someone's life wasn't saved because you decided not to volunteer to donate blood, as the cost of surrendering part of your freedom was too steep, that's not your fault - that's the fault of the proprietary malware authors and the blood collectors who demand such a steep price to make a donation (after all, there are endless options for freedom respecting scheduling).
>I get a free breakfast
The breakfast is made out of proprietary ingredients and unless it's a big and nutritive breakfast, you're arguably going to end up expending more energy and nutrients regenerating the lost blood than what you get out of the breakfast.
>tax cuts for a few things
| guess that's fine.
>most importantly the feeling that I probably saved someones life.
I'm not sure about specific blood usage stats, but I remember reading articles nothing that if type O- blood is available, that's preferred, as that avoids having to test the blood and match the correct type, which kind of implies that other kinds of blood are often unused until the "usage expiry" passes and is therefore wasted.
Plasma donations seem to have a more complete usage rate, although that requires a bigger needle.
>I don't do it for money and honestly you really shouldn't.
Donating disease-free blood that is to be used for good results, in exchange for a reasonable amount of money is an entirely honest and ethical practice, so I don't see any reason why you "really shouldn't".
You clearly shouldn't donate so much blood that you become anemic, or screw up your iron levels, but that isn't hard to do.
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@Suiseiseki
>You seem to have taken a massive imaginative leap there.
I did not. That's literally the question you ask yourself before the decision. You either donate blood or plasma and probably save someones life (Here it's basically guaranteed because in the questionnaire you either allow the hospital to use the donated blood for research and/or training, or you don't. And since this question is required by law, the chance of them misusing your blood is minimal, almost non-existent. [I don't live in a clown world like US where this is possible]), or you don't. Someone won't die, because you did not donate. In the developed world that chances of that happening are very slim.
>The breakfast is made out of proprietary ingredients and unless it's a big and nutritive breakfast, you're arguably going to end up expending more energy and nutrients regenerating the lost blood than what you get out of the breakfast.
L O L. If you are not joking, consider getting a mental health checkup. And I mean that. A healthy homo sapiens does not think like this.
>I'm not sure about specific blood usage stats, but I remember reading articles nothing that if type O- blood is available, that's preferred, as that avoids having to test the blood and match the correct type, which kind of implies that other kinds of blood are often unused until the "usage expiry" passes and is therefore wasted.
O- is used only in emergency situations and if the patient has O-. Otherwise everything else is preferred, because O- is very rare. O- is used for example in ambulances, where they have to respond to blood loss immediately and don't have time for any tests. After you get admitted to the hospital, a blood test is the first thing they do. It's not time consuming and not life threatening. And if you are going to a scheduled surgery, they will do a blood test prior to it.
Your blood will not be wasted because the "usage expiry" passed. Hospitals have systems to prevent that. The main reason why you need to register online is so they can manage how much blood they get and won't let you register if they have enough. I can even check when they used my blood and it's usually around the 3rd day from donation.
Source: My friend is a nurse in a hospital for a whole region.
>Plasma donations seem to have a more complete usage rate, although that requires a bigger needle.
Usage rate is the same. With plasma donation your blood is filtered by a machine that separates the plasma from your blood and the rest is pumped back into you. It usually requires two needles, because you need a saline IV.
>Donating disease-free blood that is to be used for good results, in exchange for a reasonable amount of money is an entirely honest and ethical practice, so I don't see any reason why you "really shouldn't".
It's an altruistic move. I don't do it for money, I do it because I want to. If you donate blood to private companies, they will try to sell it to hospitals for a markup anyway. Might as well go to the hospital, because at that point someone else still profited from you. You just get compensated with maybe 70% of that cost at a maximum.
>You clearly shouldn't donate so much blood that you become anemic, or screw up your iron levels, but that isn't hard to do.
A hospital won't even allow that. They do some test before you donate blood, so they can reject you if you have some problems. Can't say anything about private companies other than that they need to do test for diseases later by law.
>You seem to have taken a massive imaginative leap there.
I did not. That's literally the question you ask yourself before the decision. You either donate blood or plasma and probably save someones life (Here it's basically guaranteed because in the questionnaire you either allow the hospital to use the donated blood for research and/or training, or you don't. And since this question is required by law, the chance of them misusing your blood is minimal, almost non-existent. [I don't live in a clown world like US where this is possible]), or you don't. Someone won't die, because you did not donate. In the developed world that chances of that happening are very slim.
>The breakfast is made out of proprietary ingredients and unless it's a big and nutritive breakfast, you're arguably going to end up expending more energy and nutrients regenerating the lost blood than what you get out of the breakfast.
L O L. If you are not joking, consider getting a mental health checkup. And I mean that. A healthy homo sapiens does not think like this.
>I'm not sure about specific blood usage stats, but I remember reading articles nothing that if type O- blood is available, that's preferred, as that avoids having to test the blood and match the correct type, which kind of implies that other kinds of blood are often unused until the "usage expiry" passes and is therefore wasted.
O- is used only in emergency situations and if the patient has O-. Otherwise everything else is preferred, because O- is very rare. O- is used for example in ambulances, where they have to respond to blood loss immediately and don't have time for any tests. After you get admitted to the hospital, a blood test is the first thing they do. It's not time consuming and not life threatening. And if you are going to a scheduled surgery, they will do a blood test prior to it.
Your blood will not be wasted because the "usage expiry" passed. Hospitals have systems to prevent that. The main reason why you need to register online is so they can manage how much blood they get and won't let you register if they have enough. I can even check when they used my blood and it's usually around the 3rd day from donation.
Source: My friend is a nurse in a hospital for a whole region.
>Plasma donations seem to have a more complete usage rate, although that requires a bigger needle.
Usage rate is the same. With plasma donation your blood is filtered by a machine that separates the plasma from your blood and the rest is pumped back into you. It usually requires two needles, because you need a saline IV.
>Donating disease-free blood that is to be used for good results, in exchange for a reasonable amount of money is an entirely honest and ethical practice, so I don't see any reason why you "really shouldn't".
It's an altruistic move. I don't do it for money, I do it because I want to. If you donate blood to private companies, they will try to sell it to hospitals for a markup anyway. Might as well go to the hospital, because at that point someone else still profited from you. You just get compensated with maybe 70% of that cost at a maximum.
>You clearly shouldn't donate so much blood that you become anemic, or screw up your iron levels, but that isn't hard to do.
A hospital won't even allow that. They do some test before you donate blood, so they can reject you if you have some problems. Can't say anything about private companies other than that they need to do test for diseases later by law.
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