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georgia
georgia
I'm a monist but I'm not a mayavada because I believe the world is neither real nor unreal and that it doesnt matter and that real and unreal are human constructs without bearing on any divine thing
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djsumdog
djsumdog@djsumdog.com
What is "real" in these contexts? I'm not familiar with those belief systems. Is a simulation theory world not-real? What if the simulation wasn't inside a machine, but our universe was on a giant's table-top .. like Sea Monkeys? Even if we're in a machine of some kind, wouldn't we still be .. "real"?
I guess it's all in how you define the material world.
I guess it's all in how you define the material world.
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djsumdog
djsumdog@djsumdog.com
huh ... looking back, I like your original statement, how it doesn't really matter if the world is real or unreal.
If the world is God, do you subscribe to the metaphor that God is like a sea and all life/world/reality are droplets in the ocean of god?
If the world is God, do you subscribe to the metaphor that God is like a sea and all life/world/reality are droplets in the ocean of god?
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elizabeth worm🔅
lizzie@brain.worm.pink
@georgia yeahhhh id say the world apart from God would not be real. it has no realness of itself
but that also kinda doesnt make sense to talk about bc it isnt apart from God
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djsumdog
djsumdog@djsumdog.com
Interesting. I never though about it working both ways: the ocean vs the jar.
It makes me think about the Plato's Cave allegory and how it's literally impossible to tell if you're inside or outside the cave. (Say someone finds a mystical cave that's full of wonder, and tries to convince everyone true meaning lies inside the cave ... honestly could be a gooner metaphor
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Do you think there is a "chief end of man?" .. or ultimate purpose? Or that it's up to each individual to determine if there's a purpose and what that is?
It makes me think about the Plato's Cave allegory and how it's literally impossible to tell if you're inside or outside the cave. (Say someone finds a mystical cave that's full of wonder, and tries to convince everyone true meaning lies inside the cave ... honestly could be a gooner metaphor
)Do you think there is a "chief end of man?" .. or ultimate purpose? Or that it's up to each individual to determine if there's a purpose and what that is?
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Q.U.I.N.N.
icedquinn@blob.cat
@djsumdog @georgia the droplet people are trying to explain in words concepts that no words exist for. it's like trying to explain how engrams of memory work.
engrams are literally co-activation patterns that exist solely as the relationship of one marker to all other markets at the same moment. there is no good explanation for it because every component of the thing is relative to every other component of the thing and you can only experience the thing happening but you can never really see it. you are just seeing a simulated approximation of the thing, distilled in to a chart.
its an inexpressible concept, basically. in both cases.
engrams are literally co-activation patterns that exist solely as the relationship of one marker to all other markets at the same moment. there is no good explanation for it because every component of the thing is relative to every other component of the thing and you can only experience the thing happening but you can never really see it. you are just seeing a simulated approximation of the thing, distilled in to a chart.
its an inexpressible concept, basically. in both cases.
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elizabeth worm🔅
lizzie@brain.worm.pink
@risperdoll @djsumdog @georgia yeah. he argued against the droplet/ocean metaphor as applied to christology by st gregory of nyssa
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@georgia @djsumdog @risperdoll different metaphor fundamentally since different substances but to say that Christ is like a drop of humanity in the ocean of God
but balthasar’s argument overall is that mixing is not the greatest kind of unity, but rather to be joined into a whole with internal distinction. “i am yours and you are mine” is my best understanding
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