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@kaia You can't see that, but neither of them said that and GNOME was started to offer a free GUI for GNU and the Emacs OS has a GtK GUI.
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@kaia if they (end user) see old men, you’ve fucked up

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@mia @kaia if they (end user) see sharp, you've fucked up
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@lucy @kaia you prefer your visuals basic?

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@mia @kaia technically that's the first programming language i used i think? It doesn't really count it was me sitting on my dad's lap telling him how to move the funny rectangles, ig it was more like vibe coding than programming
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@kaia

Crapple degenerates be like "we must build a culture where we assume the end-user is borderline retarded, and if he isn't, he soon will if he's using our products".
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@lucy @kaia @mia you mentioning this makes me curious, how many programmers on here had family that programmed or used computers when they were growing up
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@mischievoustomato @kaia @lucy @mia I didn’t get a laptop until I was 18 when I bought a cheap £200 blank one to put Ubuntu on, I had two desktop computers — one at my nan and granddad’s house that was Windows 98 and one at home which was Windows XP.

First one I got in late 1998 which was a Tiny and the second one I got in 2002 which was a Compaq (and one of the last ones before they were acquired by HP).

I had dial up internet on the 98 one but didn’t get internet on the Compaq until 2006. The dial up connection could be pretty bad at times, I remember people in RuneScape on my friends list getting annoyed because they thought I was clicking the button that cycles showing as online and offline because that’s how brittle the connection was.
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When I was a kid, there was some kind of windows 9x computer that was used for Word (and luckily for everyone involved, my family knew how to store their documents on floppies I couldn't reach). First "interaction" with programming was when I was maybe 10 I found a soviet pop-science book about BASIC. I was retarded enough that I found it enjoyable without even having a computer on which to do anything about it xd.

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@arcana @kaia @lucy @mia my family thought I was going to break the computer because I installed Netscape on it so I wouldn’t have to use Internet Explorer
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@arcana @kaia @lucy @mia @mischievoustomato I got my first computer when I was 12. Dad bought it from his work and it was already 8 years old at that point. It could barely run the current version of Windows at that time.
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What a sweet story ❤️

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@arcana @lucy @kaia i’ve been stuck to screens since i was 3. c64/amiga, some pentium PC with win95, eventually i got my own when i was… idk 7 or 8 years old?

rarely had internet access as a kid though so i didn’t have much opportunity to learn about programming and stuff

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@lucy @arcana @kaia my parents usually weren’t home during the day and i didn’t have real friends so the computer kept me busy

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We got a 386 when I was about 3 or 4, with 1 floppy drive (5¼") so I had to learn to load DOS then swap out the disk for the games I wanted to play. We had Joust and DigDug. When I was a bit older (and had a hdd) I learned to program by modifying the parameters of the pre-packaged qbasic games, snake and the one with the gorillas throwing bananas at each other.

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@mia @lucy @kaia I picked up some scripting tomfoolery when I was in high school like creating fake error messages on school computers, opening people’s disk trays randomly, accessing the school’s camera system, etc. but I didn’t properly start programming until sixth form college at age 16 when I learnt Pascal. I then self taught C using the Unix Programmer’s Handbook from 1986 that I picked up in a Welsh bookshop. Then I self taught myself Perl so I could more quickly iterate on my ideas and get some remote jobs to build a solid basis.
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@arcana @lucy @kaia @mia I did. my dad taught me C when I was 8 or 9
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@gray @kaia @lucy @mia my family don’t even know how computers turn on or off so they basically had zero say in it. The only thing that my mum did believe was that if you unplugged a computer while it was still on it would blow the house up.

Most of my family have never used computers ever.
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@nemesis @kaia @lucy @mia I basically self taught everything regarding computers from books like Unix Programming Environment 1986 and The Third Edition of the Hacker’s Handbook from 1989
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opening people’s disk trays randomly
ah yes, in highschool I created a cursed USB drive which autorun installed a script that does the random disk tray opening and registered it as a startup item.

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Lucy [hiatus era] 𒌋𒁯

Edited 1 year ago
@eris @arcana @kaia @mia i put a fork bomb in the shared directory named "do_not_open.bat" and of course people clicked it frying their computers. One poor guy learned that day the importance of saving progress *before* you're done working
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@lucy @arcana @kaia @eris i ARP spoofed my way to a teacher’s web browser and it promptly loaded up fullscreen meatspin instead of an IC datasheet he was going to pull up on the projector 😇

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@eris @kaia @lucy @mia I replaced the executable path of desktop icons with VBS scripts that did all manner of funny things
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@arcana @kaia @lucy @mia My mom bought me a book about programming in x86 DOS assembly from a thrift shop when I was in high school, so I coded some .COM shit with DEBUG.EXE, then I went to QuickBasic, then I got the Internet and learnt C.
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@bartholin @kaia @lucy @mia a lot of my computer knowledge came from bookstores in Llangollen
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@mia @arcana @kaia @eris in our school we had beamers and they were all networked which was the only way to connect. The teacher had to enter the room number to connect the computer with the correct beamer. Except it was horribly maintained win xp bullshit so, occasionally we played funny videos in arbitrary classrooms hehecat speakers included of course. They never fixed that, most teachers didn't even understand what's happening and the "administrator" was some elderly teacher who knew how to print a pdf and therefore got entrusted with the school's computer infrastructure.
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@arcana @kaia @lucy @mia i'm young enough that "using a computer" would apply to the parents of most my age but ig my parents are more savy than the average
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@lucy @eris @arcana @kaia @mia teachers where discussing banning me from computer lessons for something like that...
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@snacks @arcana @eris @kaia @mia skill issue they never caught me
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@lucy @arcana @eris @kaia @mia sorry, my cs teachers at least knew how to figure out who uploaded smth to the shared folders
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@lucy @kaia @eris @mia my high school had a single IT room and no other room in the entire school had a computer. The IT teacher was an alcoholic woman in her 50s who kept spirits in her desktop. The IT room was so high tech it even had a white board rather than a black board like all of the other classrooms
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@arcana @lucy @kaia @eris you’ve described my experience in 5th grade

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@kaia @lain Be it 1780 or 2025 things aren't doing well.
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