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Torturing myself by watching the entire 5 hour long DHH Lex Fridman episode.

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@sunbeam_rider I think it is interesting because his ideas are so far outside of how I think software development actually works that it actually becomes entertaining to see how wrong someone can be.

He genuinely believes that in the last 9 months technology has progressed 20 years and that agentic workflows are so good now that slopcode is so good that you can just publish it for other people to use without looking at it yourself.

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@SuperDicq @sunbeam_rider ngl if you dial it in you can basically get here, i still look at the code but i rarely find anything to complain about, and i'm kind of a stickler for code quality
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@shibao @sunbeam_rider Nah, you’re full of shit or you were a shit programmer before you started vibecoding.

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@shibao @sunbeam_rider And? You copypasted that into your prompt and it does the thing? That’s just subjective code style, not architectural decision making.

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@SuperDicq @sunbeam_rider you can inspect the code, i think the architecture is pretty decent but it is just crudshit, i do more complicated stuff at work and on my startup app
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@SuperDicq @sunbeam_rider basically for startup, i have a corpus of docs split out into docs/ with various aspects of the app that are easily listable with ls so that the agent can find whatever it needs, also with coding and architecture lists, i could try to extract some out so I can donate it to cannery and memex
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@SuperDicq @sunbeam_rider just now realizing that cannery and memex don't have pubsub so i'll take this from the app i'm working on and donate it there, that way pages will get prompts to refresh the page whenever something gets updated. there's a lot of niceities like that that I never got to, but now I can. for instance, try out the day/night mode in https://memex.shibao.dev/ in the top right. i think it's very nice and I was only able to go through the entire app to add that with AI cuz it made it easy, stuff like that I just used to never get to in the interest of adding features or whatnot
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@shibao @sunbeam_rider I don’t know what the hell you’re even rambling about.

What is a cannery and what is memex? I post a lot of memes but I never of memex.

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@shibao @sunbeam_rider Ok, sure but they are infected with slopcode now, aren’t they?

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@shibao @sunbeam_rider I didn’t know that’s what you meant. You’re not very clear.

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@shibao @sunbeam_rider If they don’t contain slopcode why do both of the projects have AGENTS.md files then?

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@SuperDicq @sunbeam_rider BECAUSE AI IS LIKE ANY OTHER TOOL AND IT IS ENTIRELY YOUR CHOICE WHETHER TO CREATE SLOP OR NOT
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@shibao @sunbeam_rider All code generated by LLM is in fact slopcode.

It is uncopyrightable poison for your project that will likely make your AGPLv3 license unenforceable.

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@mischievoustomato @shibao @sunbeam_rider The MIT Expat license would also not be enforceable, it requires copyright attribution.

Also even if you make it proprietary you can still be sued for stealing code if the slop your LLM spit out turns out to come from another project with incompatible license.

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@SuperDicq @shibao @mischievoustomato @sunbeam_rider You cannot be sued for stealing code in any country.

Although you can be sued for copyright infringement or infringing trade secrets.
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@SuperDicq @shibao @sunbeam_rider hey chatgpt, deploy 500 subagents to do clean room implementation, make no mistakes, and subscribe superdicq to a million spam bulletins

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@SuperDicq @shibao @sunbeam_rider

>It is uncopyrightable poison for your project that will likely make your AGPLv3 license unenforceable.
until governments say otherwise....
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@SuperDicq @shibao @sunbeam_rider
but even then, its still grey so in most cases if you were to do any type of legal thing it would have to be beyond a reasonable doubt
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@mischievoustomato @SuperDicq @sunbeam_rider oh also i forgot, with AI i was able to create a very robust and well thought out 2FA implementation which I then backported to cannery and memex as well but I haven't released it yet
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@SuperDicq @mischievoustomato @sunbeam_rider for copy, i still don't have a good solution to make something sound AI without handwriting it, so I try to handwrite everything that matters
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@mischievoustomato @shibao @sunbeam_rider Also you’re posting a watermarked reddit screenshot unironically. You have no shame.

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@shibao @SuperDicq @sunbeam_rider i dont know how much this really matters unless the ai writing style annoys you. You can probably make it learn how you write to put that in the agents.md so it can spit out shit like that

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@mischievoustomato @shibao @sunbeam_rider Yes, I do. Slop is the most obvious thing ever and it never sounds human.

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@mischievoustomato @SuperDicq @sunbeam_rider it makes me psychotic, claudeslop webpages with "eyebrows" and claudespeak make me want to beat computers. i cancelled my anthropic subscription because I just couldn't take it anymore. unfortunately the other providers still have the same ai speak but it's just much less
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@mischievoustomato @shibao @sunbeam_rider LLMs don’t learn anything during use, only during the training process. You start a new session context and they forget everything you said.

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@SuperDicq @mischievoustomato @sunbeam_rider it's a skill you have to learn, you have to build up a robust corpus of guidelines and documentation and automated checks to enforce things in AI, it's not something that comes out of the box. and at the end of the day just being accountable for what it spits out ensures that you will always keep improving. i was in the same mindset as you until i realized that you have to bootstrap AI kind of like how you bootstrap a language with a native compiler
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@mischievoustomato @shibao @sunbeam_rider If you can read more than 2 paragraphs of LLM generated text telling you how everything is load bearing and why it matters with overused emdashed without throwing up then you are already suffering from AI psychosis.

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@shibao @mischievoustomato @sunbeam_rider Are you seriously implying that programming with LLMs “the right way” is just like bootstrapping a compiler? Are you insane?

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@shibao @SuperDicq @mischievoustomato for writing, if you care you write it yourself. Simple as.
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@shibao @SuperDicq @sunbeam_rider pretty much. I need to start learning how to write AGENTS.md for my nixos repository, it's gonna be fun

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@SuperDicq @shibao @mischievoustomato @sunbeam_rider
so youre really sure about that? you can actually tell right away if somethings ai-generated?
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@lain @shibao @mischievoustomato @sunbeam_rider The hip and trendy words that LLMs tend to use don’t make them sound like a cute nerdy girl but they instead make them sound like a 50 year old middle manager who has no clue about anything.

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@theorytoe @shibao @mischievoustomato @sunbeam_rider Yes. Anything from text, code, images, music, videos. It’s always extremely obvious to me because I am not a demented facebook boomer who falls for indian scam calls and believes anything.

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@lain @SuperDicq @shibao @sunbeam_rider we need to make robot women to put llm brains into them so we can fuck them while they do their llm speak.

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@shibao @SuperDicq @sunbeam_rider what are the upsides? im not changing if it has no value to me. You can call things however you want but you're not convincing me.

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@shibao @mischievoustomato @SuperDicq @sunbeam_rider
in his defense i have met satanists and by far tomato is way better even if
tomato thinks only with his second head (thus the need for the claudeussy to write his code in the first place)
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@SuperDicq @theorytoe @shibao @mischievoustomato @sunbeam_rider I'm so thankful for smart, attractive individuals like yourself who are there to save us from ourselves at our darkest hour 🙏🙏🙏
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@shibao @theorytoe @mischievoustomato @SuperDicq @sunbeam_rider especially when it’s technical documentation because brother that shit is worse than running into the default doxygen template

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@shibao @theorytoe @SuperDicq @sunbeam_rider arguably, but i dont care about making the world a better place (or worse for that matter)

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@theorytoe @SuperDicq @shibao @sunbeam_rider its not just claudeussy
>cluade
>chatgpt
>opencode models (mimo 2.5 free)
>openrouter models (free routers model)

deepseek

for my learning, I use chatgpt, and then i implement stuff myself using Zed

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@shibao @mischievoustomato @SuperDicq @theorytoe this is unfair. RMS has arguably done more for the world than 99.9999999% people on earth. Perhaps only a hundred have done more than him since he was born.
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@shibao @SuperDicq @sunbeam_rider yeah? i dont know what your point is. I want a gf but I don't really expect to get one.

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@SuperDicq @mischievoustomato @sunbeam_rider i didn't have this saved but i will now, that's the one i was looking for
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@mischievoustomato @SuperDicq @sunbeam_rider the cure for a nihilist is killing them. you can say that you don't care if the world is better or worse but if i put you in the world where life is electroshock therapy until you die then you will care
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@sunbeam_rider @mischievoustomato @theorytoe @SuperDicq @shibao It's kind of a fair competition, as he's likely younger than rms was, when he really got started.
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@shibao @mischievoustomato @SuperDicq @sunbeam_rider
The more important question should be:
Does tomate get a mac book pro or an irl foid gf first? 🤔
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@mischievoustomato @SuperDicq @shibao @sunbeam_rider
>steve jobs
zero technical experience, made a shit product
>tim cook
zero technical experience, made a shit product
>john ternus
some technical experience, made a shit product
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@mischievoustomato @SuperDicq @shibao @sunbeam_rider

live in a place predominately populated by young impressionable people also in an area with a considerable amount of cult subpopulations
that and mormons
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@SuperDicq @shibao @mischievoustomato @sunbeam_rider guy sits at computer all day doesnt go outside
no gf

what did he expect?
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@shibao @mischievoustomato @SuperDicq @sunbeam_rider
problem is that wont make tomato care that will just make him cum
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@dj @SuperDicq @shibao @sunbeam_rider its funny because a similar thing came up, whether id choose between the woman of my dreams or the macbook of my dreams, and I instinctively answered ‘macbook’. My mom knew id answer that way too

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@shibao @SuperDicq @sunbeam_rider the thing is that im not a nihilist, i just care about specific things, and stuff i dont care about just doesn’t matter to me

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@mischievoustomato @SuperDicq @shibao @sunbeam_rider I was saying about the meme lol

also that's kinda epic . and hope you find a gf tomato 🍅
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@theorytoe @SuperDicq @shibao @sunbeam_rider i can, but i vibecode some stuff and write other stuff by hand, but use the llm in place of SO, google etc

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@mischievoustomato @SuperDicq @shibao @sunbeam_rider
>SO, google
genuinely cannot remember the last time I needed to use either
and tbqh if u need those can u rly call yourself a 'good programmer'
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@theorytoe @mischievoustomato @shibao @sunbeam_rider I learn things by reading either the official documentation of whatever language I’m working with or by reading the source code of existing applications.

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@SuperDicq @theorytoe @mischievoustomato @sunbeam_rider pubsub is already in, although I need to tweak the size of the alert, i might cut a new release for this. absolutely 0 chance i could've had time and energy to implement this without ai, especially during the day
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@shibao @mischievoustomato @SuperDicq @sunbeam_rider claudespeak vs bureaucratic education board speak who wins
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