@eris @Moon @allison it's not muslims who are intrinsically hateful. muslims are just people, mostly raised into islam. i have read about half the quran, certainly most of the medinan stuff, and i can tell you, it is a highly intolerant belief system. sure there's bad stuff in the old testament, but for millennia jews have used all manner of.pedantry to avoid applying the death penalty. even ultraorthodox jews don't stone gays. islam is VIOLENTLY intolerant of homosexuality and is strongly gendered. to convert to such an ideology is a tacit endorsement of this.