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episcopalian: โyeahh versus populum isnt perfectโ
canadian anglo-catholic: โthis is why we should do it ad orientumโ
episcopalian: โehhh ad orientum has its issues too. some might take it to mean the priest is superiorโ
me: โi understand. this is why we need north-facing liturgyโ
(nobody can argue with me bc thats the english reformation tradition)
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wait a little searching is indicting to me that actually it was south-facing but at the north side. this isnt confusing at all
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technicallydifficult@brain.worm.pinkversus populum - facing the congregation
ad orientum - to the east (biblically supported)
north facing - innovation
ad romanum - American catholics face rome.
Ah yes, christian qibla discourse.
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technicallydifficult@brain.worm.pinkThis church makes me feel proud of human ability. But going to a remote area without light pollution and looking at the sky on a clear night makes me feel like an insignificant insect. Orion is my favorite constellation. Looking at his left shoulder and there's a red giant star... in the vicinity of his belt and sword is a nebula around a black hole. And for some reason, his sword has noticably drifted in my lifetime. Some several millions of years ago, something happened that moved those stars, and the light has only now reached us that we might see the difference. We humans are not so important.
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@technicallydifficult north side liturgies exist for the same reason as versus populumโs adoption among protestants (and later roman catholics). its so the laity can see what the priest is doing. anglicans used that for quite a while before switching back to the east and then to versus populum
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@technicallydifficult who said the laity being able to see is a matter of entertainment?
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@technicallydifficult the eucharist is a celebration of thanksgiving. the laity celebrate too. there is a lot of symbolism built into the liturgy for the understanding and participation of the laity. allowing them to see the bread broken for them is entirely consistent with this as every major liturgical western church has decided including rome and the anglicans. both traditions do still use ad orientum sometimes
youve gotta be able to convert to a religion without diving headfirst into chuddy contrarianism immediately or you will get burned
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zuki@snac.pinkro.seCC: @lizzie@brain.worm.pink
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@technicallydifficult a lot of my issue with the โperformanceโ rhetoric is that a lot of the orthobros advocating for retvrn to ad orientum want it because they want a performance. they want things to feel more majestic for their feelings
im not against ad orientum, but i think the people who want it most are exactly those who should not have it. they make the liturgy an idol.
like the reason i kinda jokingly suggested a return to north side liturgy is bc i wanted to stop the conversation from devolving bc the pro ad orientum guy in that conversation literally thinks priests are ontologically superior to the laity and deacons. even the chuddy priests ive seen advocating for ad orientum for bad reasons would disavow that. i want a reverent liturgy but i want that to be ultimately reverent to God rather than to man
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