I keep seeing a universal belief from poor MAGA voters that they think Trump will make them rich

And tbh I'm starting to see how he duped the working class into voting for him. These people are stupid as hell and got bribed into a false hope.

Trump preyed upon economic hardship and it was an effective strategy.

It's not super different from the circumstances that led to Hitler.

@eris I know a disabled man on disability who voted for trump who doesnt realize trump will try to axe SSDI.

@georgia @eris I know a poor person who voted for Harris not knowing that she’d make everyone more poorer

@eris nobody thinks that (even though my stonks happen to be up 8% just on the election news)

what people think is they'll be able to find a job. have american products be more affordable due to domestic manufacturing. stop spending on foreign wars. reasonable stuff like that. you're creating a straw man.

@georgia @eris why didn't he axe it last time ding dong?

@lain @eris the difference is trump has literally said he'd make cuts to entitlements whereas kamala never claimed she wanted everyone to be poor

@georgia @lain @eris she did indirectly by espousing extreme communist policies like price fixing of groceries ("going after price gouging grocery stores"). people realized this stuff was batshit insane

@meowski @lain @eris when asked about her actual policy she said she only supported controls on cranking up prices on staples during catastrophes which already exist in several Republican controlled states

@georgia @lain @eris she repeatedly said that it's generally regarding food prices being too high, not limited to emergencies. this was a big talking point, and she never once said anything about emergencies only

@meowski @eris @lain people "realized" nothing. they think trump will save them because hes a businessman when hes not even a particularly good businessman and he thinks tariffs are the solution when they will impoverish us.

@georgia @meowski @eris okay but what’s the argument here? I’m just as bad as the republicans?

@georgia @meowski @eris tariffs are equivalent to taxes. Trump nightmare scenario is them raising tariffs but not reducing taxes. Hope it doesn’t come to this.

@georgia @lain @eris tariffs will have to be gradual since we're totally dependent on import products. they are a great way to encourage domestic production and remove people's income tax burden though. i fully support a controlled transition from income tax to tariffs to fund the federal government

@lain @meowski @georgia @eris

NEVER

@meowski @lain @eris ding dong youre wrong

@lain @georgia @eris they really are not equivalent at all. if companies produce domestically, creating jobs and keeping wealth here, they don't have to pay the tax.

@meowski @georgia @eris I prefer tariffs for privacy reasons, but they are still just taxes and don’t help “the nation” in any way

@lain @meowski @eris I dont think anyone is "bad" except donald trump who's a rapist and a pedophile

@georgia @meowski @eris cringe but you think I’m cringe so we can still be friends

@georgia @lain @eris this is not what she said verbally, and you're not even providing the source of this, so i'm not buying it. it says BUILD ON existing policies. meaning, more.

@georgia @lain @eris libelous and defamatory false information. he was never convicted of either and you're just spewing venom. that civil case from e. jean carrol was extortion. another sham

@meowski @lain @eris here's the source smarty pants https://www.factcheck.org/2024/10/the-issues-vice-president-harris-anti-price-gouging-proposal/

@meowski @lain @eris hes Epstein's pal of course hes a pedophile and unlike you I dont think women lie and risk their entire reputation for fun and money

@lain @meowski @eris I think lolbertarianism is a little cringe but much of the government is evil so I understand where youre coming from

@georgia @lain @eris yea you should have clicked through from your fact checker to harris press release. cause it says clearly it's not just for emergencies.

https://mailchi.mp/press.kamalaharris.com/vice-president-harris-lays-out-agenda-to-lower-costs-for-american-families

@georgia @lain @eris lmao "believe all w*men" you absolute clown. dumbass

he actually kicked epstein out of mar a largo, and worked with law enforcement to get him arrested, after he knew what was going on. so i don't buy this either.

you're basically spewing disinfo

"Equity" means everyone poor. Time to reread your Harrison Bergeron

@meowski @lain @eris >he doesnt know

@georgia @lain @eris if you want to make such accusations you should provide proof. you're flopping around flinging disinfo as a cope

@georgia @meowski @eris @lain if the only way for economy to survive is to rely on china’s manufacturing then we deserve to be impoverished

>3 years until 2027

@meowski @eris @lain he was buds with Epstein who had a priviledged insight into his governments affairs, his government almost certainly killed Epstein, 100 percent they will declassify this in a few decades

@georgia @lain @eris i don't accuse people of rape and pedophilia without proof, like biden groping little girls breasts on video

@meowski @lain @eris I believe the women who accuse biden, too. sorry they didnt catch the dozen women trump raped on video, though.

@meowski @eris @lain there is literally audio of trump talking about how he likes "inspecting" miss teen USA pageant dressing rooms. hes a nonce.

@georgia @lain @eris@yourwalls.todaywhere's the video? don't you think if the new world order globalists and CIA, mossad or whoever, had video of trump they would have released it? that would have sunk his campaign.

your statements make no sense. i don't know what you're smoking.

@georgia @meowski @lain @eris This is a silly, dangerous, and short sighted policy. Disasters are exactly the time that price increases are necessary and important.

It’s not “gouging”, it signals supply and demand, and disincentivises hoarding

@georgia @lain @eris i haven't heard that alleged audio, but what does that prove? you're going to make us have to repeal the 19th amendment if you keep voting for communist cackling demons because a decent candidate said something against women you didn't like, 20 years ago or whatever

@arcana @lain @georgia @eris price fixing has worked out so well in other communist countries though

@meowski @lain @eris >decent candidate
what are YOU smoking dude, hes not a decent anything. both candidates sucked this year.

@georgia @lain @eris think of it like a job interview, not a personal friend. someone is going to get hired from the candidate pool. it may not be your ideal candidate.

i like him to an extent. he didn't start any wars. there is a low bar

@lain @georgia I don't get why people genuinely think that trump will make the economy better. It tanked during COVID under him and Biden just inherited it


Edit: had to remove mentions to not anger any white men in the thread lmaooo

@teratology @lain @georgia @eris the only thing trump ever did that actually helped poor people was buying me a gaming PC with his covid checks

@vriska @lain @georgia yeah so I didn't even get a stimmy but if that's all it took to get this level of support idk what to say

Latinos for Trump (men) helped, goes to show that Latino men are just as pathetic in the polls as they are on fedi with the amount of bootlicking they do for white supremacy.

@teratology @lain @georgia look man ill im saying is biden never bought me an ibuypower (i dont live in the USA anymore and I dont actually think trump or harris knows we exist

@nicholas @lain @georgia @eris Harrison Bergeron was a stupid story.

Yes, people have different abilities. Yes, a society that tries to suppress that is stupid. Ok, Harrison Bergeron is the most able of them all. So what? How does that give him the right to be "emperor"?

The kraterocracy meme needs to die.

@meowski @lain @georgia you are genuinely delusional if you think that Kamala is a communist just because MAGAtards said so.

@vriska @lain @georgia bruh that's even worse, you bought a shitty pre build off of a shitty company I used to work with 😭

I don't see much a difference whether or not Biden or Harris won, but I am reminded how much this country hates women. Good for you not being in the states anymore but some of us can't afford to leave considering the fucked up atrocities committed in our homelands 🥴

@teratology @lain @georgia come to saipan two bedroom rent is only 650 a month

@vriska @teratology @georgia @eris trump loves gamer girls

@lain @georgia @teratology @eris he wanted to see me play dwarf fort so bad

@vriska @georgia @teratology @eris can you blame him

Wut? Are you remembering that story wrong, or am I?

My recollection is not that he was crowned emperor, but that he was murdered by the DEI Karen-​in-chief. Iirc, the moral is that the state would rather kill you than let you succeed in life outside the lines they tell you to color in.

@lain @georgia @teratology @eris no I'm pretty good at it

@nicholas @lain @georgia @eris It seemed to be implying that he was right to pronounce himself emperor. I don't call that merely "succeeding".
I skimmed it before writing that but didn't reread the bit about Diana Moon Glampers killing him, so either I forgot it or it wasn't at the forefront of my mind.

@vriska @teratology @lain @georgia @eris Poor people keep voting blue and spending checks on gaming pcs.

@meowski @lain @georgia @eris Harris' proposed economic plan is literally kirchnerism, the shit that put most of south america into perpetual poverty for the last 20 years.

@nerthos @lain @georgia @eris it shows total ignorance of history and basic economics, and such arrogance for her to propose something like government price fixing of groceries, that already have pretty low profit margins.

i'm a lot more excited about ending the fed than schemes like price fixing and wealth redistribution and a bigger federal government, expanding the welfare state, welfare for illegals, etc. total insanity

@nerthos @lain @georgia @teratology @eris i dont live in the USA jabroni

@vriska @lain @georgia @teratology @eris All poor people are honorary US citizens

@vriska@lizards.live @nerthos@shitposter.world @lain@lain.com @georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @teratology@the.asbestos.cafe @eris@yourwalls.today ackshually

@anemone @georgia @teratology @lain @nerthos @eris we dont pay taxes, we dont have any federal rep, we have wildly different laws

@vriska@lizards.live @georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @teratology@the.asbestos.cafe @lain@lain.com @nerthos@shitposter.world @eris@yourwalls.today what kind of different laws?

@anemone @georgia @teratology @lain @nerthos @eris no need for visas to visit, different road laws, different education and labor laws

@vriska@lizards.live @georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @teratology@the.asbestos.cafe @lain@lain.com @nerthos@shitposter.world @eris@yourwalls.today maybe i should move there. i will have to check the laws on my geck tho...

@anemone @georgia @teratology @lain @nerthos @eris i think you can import animals that arent frogs/snakes

and even if you cant i mean yamari are everywhere. they are free at the park

@vriska@lizards.live @georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @teratology@the.asbestos.cafe @lain@lain.com @nerthos@shitposter.world @eris@yourwalls.today thats true but she's my little baby now

@vriska@lizards.live @georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @teratology@the.asbestos.cafe @lain@lain.com @nerthos@shitposter.world @eris@yourwalls.today

@anemone @georgia @teratology @lain @vriska @eris 10/10 lizard

@anemone @georgia @teratology @lain @nerthos @eris beautiful creature

@vriska@lizards.live @georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @teratology@the.asbestos.cafe @lain@lain.com @nerthos@shitposter.world @eris@yourwalls.today i might see if she'll let me hold her this weekend

@vriska@lizards.live @georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @teratology@the.asbestos.cafe @lain@lain.com @nerthos@shitposter.world @eris@yourwalls.today kinda cringe you can import frogs or snakes tho. i mean i get why its just dart frogs are cool and i kinda want some someday

@anemone @georgia @lain @vriska @nerthos @eris LAND BACKKKKK

@teratology@the.asbestos.cafe @georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @lain@lain.com @vriska@lizards.live @nerthos@shitposter.world @eris@yourwalls.today i think they have some thing where only natives can own land so technically...

@anemone @georgia @lain @vriska @nerthos not really possible if it's a U.S neocolony where the Indigenous people to that land don't have power

@teratology @anemone @lain @georgia @nerthos literally only chamorro and Carolinians can own land and run for office

@georgia @meowski @lain Ashley Bidens diary was confirmed real so Biden is a nonce too. Trump has too many accusations to not be true but his connection to Epstein and other freaks, along with that testimony from a 13 year old victim of them. His comments about his own daughter, and him being creepy with his own lawyers daughter (Cohen).

@teratology @anemone @lain @georgia @nerthos in fact there are several government benefits only chamorro and Carolinians can qualify for. this might be the only place on earth that protects the native populations interests to such a degree

@teratology @anemone @lain @georgia @nerthos that's why it's not dogshit real estate guy island

@anemone @georgia @teratology @lain @nerthos @eris snakes killed pretty much every bird on guam

@vriska@lizards.live @georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @teratology@the.asbestos.cafe @lain@lain.com @nerthos@shitposter.world @eris@yourwalls.today yeah i dont disagree with it it's just an unfortunate reality

There are ways around that btw

@bot@seal.cafe like what

@vriska @anemone @lain @georgia @nerthos if this is the case then why are they still a commonwealth and don't have their own independence? KKKanada gives benefits too to some degree, but they also have fake bands to sell back oil to themselves.

That information isn't relevant for rentoids

@teratology @anemone @lain @georgia @nerthos because in the 70s it was better for them economically and the "come visit AMERICA" thing is great for korean/chinese/japanese tourists

@teratology @anemone @lain @georgia @nerthos there is a growing movement for proper independence but it is true. all of the non-native companies have to do 50 year leases and get charged out the nose by their native landlords, as it should be

@teratology @anemone @lain @georgia @nerthos and like I explained elsewhere this place already self governs to such a degree chinese nationals dont even need visas to visit. the laws and way things work are different here. it makes Puerto Rico look like a state in comparison

@teratology @anemone @lain @georgia @nerthos it is a very poor island and it relies heavily on foreign tourism but to "land back" the people who own 100% of the land here is a lil silly

@bot@seal.cafe what if im looking to cease being a rentoid?

@teratology @anemone @lain @georgia @nerthos iirc the US gov doesnt even own the military base, they lease it from the mayor

@bot @anemone you have to be an injun, which is worse than being black.

If you had enough money and interest in doing it then you could find out how, its not that complicated really

@teratology @anemone @lain @georgia @nerthos maybe its cuz there isnt any oil to slaughter brown people over on the island but comparing the Canadian/US rez system and paltry handouts to here just isnt based in logic

@vriska @anemone @lain @georgia @nerthos I mean if it's a territory of the U.S then the natives don't have sovereignty period. I'm not saying it's exactly the same as Canada but The U.S and Canada did participate in the biggest legally sanctioned human trafficking event where they took first nations children and displaced them. So forgive me for not blindly believing that a neocolony is a utopia.

@teratology @anemone @lain @georgia @nerthos I'm not saying its a utopia, im just saying you're factually wrong about how it works here specifically

@teratology @anemone @lain @georgia @nerthos aside from the economic benefits part of this place becoming commonwealth was the enshrinement of laws to protect chamorro and carolinian interests

@teratology @anemone @lain @georgia @nerthos and I know like "white people bad" but the white american population here is like, less than a percent of the total pop

@vriska@lizards.live @teratology@the.asbestos.cafe @lain@lain.com @georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @nerthos@shitposter.world im bad

@anemone @georgia @teratology @lain @nerthos nuh uh

@eris
>You know who else didn't impoverish everyone through money printing? Hitler.

@anemone @georgia @teratology @lain @vriska @nerthos giving the shrimp population a bad name

@parker Was referring to the way Germany was in economic collapse before Hitler which was why they rallied so much around him

@georgia @meowski @lain @eris this is like when democrats say they won't ban guns in their policy paper but when they talk to donors they say they are gonna ban guns

@georgia @meowski @lain @eris tariffs, rather than income taxes, were the lionshare of this country's federal revenue until 1913.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_tariffs_in_the_United_States

@georgia @lain @eris thats the only meaningful place cuts can be made to in order to decrease the federal budget. some 50% of all federal tax is taken from people who work and given to people who dont work.

@jeremiah @lain @georgia @eris how glorious would it be if the trump admin abolished the IRS

@eris I know, it was a joke.

But there are plenty of cases where people rallied around a leader following hardship. Could have picked Bukele, Duterte, or Putin as more contemporary examples. Specifically picking Hitler out of all those cases would seem to be for the purpose of equating Trump to Hitler, which is kind of played out.

@parker maybe it's played out but it still feels like the easiest comparison to draw. He built walls, took aim at trans and queer people, blamed social problems on minorities, censored anything related to gender, and created a powerful police state, and all of it revolved around a giant cult of personality

@parker but also to be clear I was doing the "You know who else did that? Hitler" thing too so it wasn't fully serious, but I just don't think it's that farfetched

@meowski @lain @georgia @eris i dream of breadlines stretching beyond the horizon, exclusively populated by former state and federal employees.

@arcana @eris @georgia @lain @meowski I think you haven't noticed purposeful sabotage and limitation of supplies for profit.

War profiteers do that, as do disaster profiteers.

It has literally no relation with the actual supply (same as with monopolists, disasters & wars provide temporary monopoly-like conditions), and food demand is basically a static demand as a function of population.

@eris @parker >created a powerful police state

Shouldn't Bush get most of the blame for this?

@scathach @parker I didn't have ICE interrogate me under Bush

@eris @parker Fucking pigs

@lispi314 @arcana @lain @georgia @eris shouldn't this be a role of oh... idk, FEMA, (the federal EMERGENCY management agency) to stockpile emergency supplies? if we're going to have a federal agency for this, they should do something useful (i recommend abolishing them actually since they have demonstrated they can't/won't)

demand spikes in emergencies do still relate to supply and demand though- it's just that demand is extremely high and supply limited, enabling people to price gouge

@meowski @eris @georgia @lain @arcana I concur with the demonstrated incompetence of FEMA. Were they effective, price gouging would be impossible as their provided (gratis) resources would outcompete any attempts.

That being said, again, price gouging of essential goods is enabled by controlling the supply and artificially inflating its value, as food and other essentials are *not* elastic goods. With restricted mobility/alternatives, inducing a temporary monopoly/oligopoly status, prices can be artificially inflated far past any reason and far past what the market would bear for any elastic goods.

FEMA being competent would enable for the subversion of this entire mechanism. Emergency restrictions on prices to avert gouging is an attempt to use private market resources as a substitute for FEMA competence.

However, enabling FEMA to be remotely competent would also likely come into conflict with local "small government" and tax-hating culture (unless of course those funds were reallocated instead from the warmongering & hegemonizing funds).

@lispi314 @arcana @lain @georgia @eris >enabling FEMA to be remotely competent
there seems to be no way to enable a federal bureaucracy to be competent so that puts us right where we started.

if we take a step back and look at the example of covid and hand sanitizer, that was entirely a government created emergency. so let's shut down the funding for high risk gain of function virus research in chinese bioweapons labs and we'll kill 2 birds with 1 stone by not creating the emergencies in the first place

generally i think individuals and families and communities should be prepared for emergencies and not rely on just in time last minute delivery of critical supplies

@meowski @eris @georgia @lain @arcana The Covid pandemic is another example of government incompetence.

Cold War research into bioweapons had demonstrated the feasibility and reality of aerosolized or airborne bioagents, so measures for clean air should have been implemented everywhere since then. Especially with economic impact analysis on productivity & healthcare costs of unnecessary sickness in a population and the reduction clean air would induce.

Shutting down the funding wouldn't cover all vectors of release for such agents, many other states would willingly develop and use them (bioweapons also have an extremely low footprint for enterprising terrorists in comparison to many other kinds of weapons, so states are not the only actors of concern). Funding & promoting countermeasures should remain a priority.

> generally i think individuals and families and communities should be prepared for emergencies

They should. Although various other economic and logistic problems within those communities hinder this. Precarity & poverty do not lend themselves too well to disaster readiness. Normality Bias also needs to be countered in any awareness efforts (at least until the very notion of readiness becomes a new normalized automatic action).

Both are necessary.

@lispi314 @arcana @lain @georgia @eris covid wasn't incompetence. it was deliberate.

you type too much.

@vriska @teratology @anemone @lain @georgia >No reason to slaughter brown people

Man, I already had the bags made

@eris @scathach
Being Canadian, I can't speak to the American experience. But the trend towards police states transcends the guy in charge.

In Canada, under the very pro-LGBT Liberals (Trudeau being a bigger fruit than a watermelon), I couldn't leave the country, got checkpointed at borders between provinces, couldn't go into a lot of businesses without showing papers, which seems very police state-y. Similarly the UK is as progressive as it gets, and it's the biggest police state around.

@parker @scathach That's so funny, at the Canadian border they always gave my mom shit and it was always a whole thing to where we almost got stuck in Canada. So ridiculous lol

@eris hitler followed through though, trumps a liar and a backstabber

@parker @scathach @eris >Similarly the UK is as progressive as it gets

I wouldn’t agree with this personally, the UK is pretty socially conservative

@arcana @parker @scathach @eris <- road to serfdom, big nanny states always go 1984