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Epstein basically running WeWork for mossad pedophiles

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@anemone i don't understand how rank and file rightoids haven't abandoned ship. we got jews, pedophiles, virtue signalling grifters, and incompetents all in the same bandwagon which should be completely antithetical to their beliefs.

unless
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@7666

we got jews,

You mean the ones who support Israel, the country currently having “right to rape” protests?

pedophiles,

Self-explanatory

virtue signalling grifters

Not like this community isn’t infamous for sexual assault and other depravity

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@7666 @anemone a bunch of influential people not backing down on epstein at least. the young ones are starting to turn on trump and the grifters are in a pinch because they get money from israel and now israel is not popular
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@anemone @7666 this just... isnt true? most Jews who vaguely support Israel don't even support trump let alone are pedo grifters. Youre constantly blurring the line between anti-zionism and antisemitism with the "Jews are pedophiles" rhetoric. ive talked to you about it before, like how youve used fake graphs to supposedly prove it and yet you continue.
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@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @7666@comp.lain.la I think I've made it pretty clear I am specifically talking about zionists, not all Jews and zionists deserve zero grace

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@anemone @7666 its not true for Zionists either though, and the majority of world Jews would be considered Zionists because they believe in Israeli sovereignty and the law of return. you can't just say something blatantly antisemitic and say "oh I mean Zionists not Jews". it just gives people ammunition to say antizionism is antisemitism, which I dont believe.
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@georgia @7666

you can’t just say something blatantly antisemitic and say “oh I mean Zionists not Jews”

I didn’t say that though, I specifically said the ones who support Israel and I’m sorry, but supporting a genocidal apartheid rogue state is inexcusable. You don’t get to cry victim when people criticize you for supporting mass murder, torture, and rape.

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@anemone @7666 I dont support Israel but I can say from experience that most Jews who support the Israeli government only do so out of ignorance. and what you said wasnt "supporting Israel is evil" it was "trump supporters, Jews, pedophiles, and political grifters are *the same picture*". thats what you said. youre moving goalposts.
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@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @7666@comp.lain.la “Jews who support Israel”. Don’t put words in my mouth

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@anemone @7666 upon reread you added the caveat but his initial post just said Jews, and even then saying Jews who support Israel are the same thing as pedophile grifters is antisemitism. a majority of Jews still support Israel, they just do so out of ignorance. they are usually not pedophiles or grifters (both classic judeophobic stereotypes).
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@georgia @7666 @anemone I think 7666 just meant its weird there's jews in the republican party
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@sun @7666 @anemone oh I wasnt trying to say 7666 is antisemitic, but that the "its the same picture" framing was
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@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @7666@comp.lain.la I think supporting a genocidal apartheid state that engages in systemic rape and torture is a bigger problem. I consider these people the same as german nazis who "didn't know about the death camps" (except today it's far to see the evidence of what Israel does than it was for people to see what Germany was doing). It's not antisemitism to point out what these people are doing, you're starting to sound like Greenblatt.

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@sun@shitposter.world @georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @7666@comp.lain.la it's not if their reason is Israel since Republicans are even more openly pro-Israel than the dems.

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@sun @anemone @georgia not quite. the real far right types really don't like "da joos" and yet somehow still associate with the party in power funnelling money to them. its a conflict of interest that i haven't seen addressed.

not to say democrats don't do it either but they'd never associate as one is the difference.
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@7666@comp.lain.la @sun@shitposter.world @georgia@netzsphaere.xyz because the party is doing other things they like, such as the whole mass deportation and police state stuff

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@anemone @7666 you didnt say that though. you blamed all the pedophilia and political grift in the Republican party on Jews who support Israel by saying theyre "the same picture". thats antisemitic. pointing out that Israel is commiting genocide and apartheid isnt antisemitic, but comparing it to the holocaust is invidious and insensitive. the entire western media is complicit in denying that a genocide is ongoing, its normal to be ignorant about it and it certainly isnt an act of malice most of the time.
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@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @7666@comp.lain.la I said thats why those groups support Republicans. If you can point me to a prominent Republican Jew who isn't a rabid Israel supporter I'd love to see it.

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@anemone @georgia @sun "i guess we can put up with the jews so long as we kick out those stinky mexicans" is an incredible position to take
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@7666@comp.lain.la @georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @sun@shitposter.world the hard-right zionist position is completely compatible with a lot of the white nationalist groups since they both want geographically separate ethnostates

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@anemone @7666 moving the goalposts again, of course Republican Jews support Israel, most Jews in america do. but I can point to you plenty of Republican Jews that I know personally who are just religiously conservative not pro child rape and grift. but you called "that community" equivalent to grifters and pedophiles!
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@7666@comp.lain.la @georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @sun@shitposter.world don't forget there were pro-hitler zionists back in the day for the same reason

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@anemone @7666 @georgia zionists with money just switch to whichever party supports israel the hardest. and by party I mean the people making the decisions, not the actual members. young people are dissociating from Israel and a bunch of right wing orgs are following suit, so you're seeing a much bigger blatant disconnect in the party.
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@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @7666@comp.lain.la haven't moved the goalposts at all you're just repeatedly twisting my words again.

Also sorry, but if you are a Republican (of any ethnicity or religion) in 2025 you are pro-child rape. You can protest otherwise, but that just makes you a liar.

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@7666 @anemone @georgia I mean look at the entire zionist support for fundamentalist christians. yes they support israel because they think the messiah will come (and most jews will go to hell) but their money's still good so they cultivate the relationship
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@sun@shitposter.world @7666@comp.lain.la @georgia@netzsphaere.xyz THIS IS NOT NEW look up lehi and probably several other groups I'm forgetting the name of

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@anemone @7666 @georgia I know it's not new, Israel literally created the christian pro zionist movement as it exists today by funneling millions of dollars into propaganda targeted at churches. the christian zionist movement predates this but the wholesale switch of support in america is because of influence

https://original.antiwar.com/smith-grant/2007/10/09/where-did-aipac-come-from/
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@anemone @7666 I'm not twisting your words you said "they are the same picture" referring to Jews who support Israel, political grifters, and pedophiles. and now youve added another untruth, that every Republican is a pedophile. do you even take what you say seriously or is it all vituperation?
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@anemone @7666 or excuse me, "pro child-rape".
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@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @7666@comp.lain.la Let me spell it out for you again:

Supporting Trump = supporting child torture and rape
Supporting Israel = supporting child torture and rape

"that's the same picture" as in they support the same thing and that is why they are allied

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@anemone @7666 if thats your genuine opinion, youre just wrong. people support either thing for far more nuanced and less malign reasons.
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@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @7666@comp.lain.la I'm not wrong, you just don't want to admit it. Many of these people lie about their position, to others, to themselves, but that doesn't change the material reality

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@anemone @7666 @georgia the child rape is a means not an end. or is it
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@anemone @7666 yes, you know what people believe more than they do
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@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @7666@comp.lain.la I know what people DO, which is support a bunch of child rapists. When it comes to rape and torture, I don't really care what your justification for it is

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@anemone @7666 "I'm not antisemitic when I say Jews (errrr zionists *cough*) love to rape and torture because theyre pure evil, I'm just against rape and torture!" yeah you see all your ideological opponents as ontologically evil so this conversation is headed nowhere.
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@georgia @7666 Again with making up things I didn’t say, but I agree that if you want to debate the nuance of supporting child rape, we’re never going to agree

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@patchuun @7666 @anemone theyre supporting him with their votes and in denial of all his wrongdoing, that doesnt make them pro child rape inherently. if it were truly proved that trump has raped children, he would have very few supporters. I'm sure of that. people hate child rape, thats one thing thats actually bipartisan. I try to assume good faith in trump supporters even though I hate trump.
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@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @patchuun@social.xenofem.me @7666@comp.lain.la if it were truly proved (moreso than it already is) most of them would claim he was framed by the deep state and support him even more fervently

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@patchuun @7666 @anemone @georgia this is the same logic people use for Hell Things

you can say “yeah, when you dig into the nuance theyre obviously doing things that make child rape happen more”, but that doesn’t say anything about what they believe or even what they think theyre doing

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@patchuun @7666 @anemone @georgia [although honestly the worse use of that logic is in cases other than this, where they arent even actually making things worse in the physical world, and the idea of “supporting something” is used to create fear of Impurity and as a moral bludgeon]

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@patchuun @7666 @anemone see I think intention is really important in ethics, although both intent and actual effect matter in dharma
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@georgia @anemone @patchuun so which philosophy aligns most closely to "i'm just going to say i'm antisemitic even though i'm not as a purely pragmatic exercise because it saves everyone the trouble of these conversations"
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@7666 @anemone @patchuun I dont believe youre antisemitic but do as you wish
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@georgia @anemone @patchuun i'm not. i'm saying that if i SAID i was, everyone would have went "oh ok asshole" and moved on. instead now we have a multi faceted thread on nuances of positions and how they're not antisemitic.

think of it like the circuit breaker for your house but for philosophical conversations, to default to the assumption as a method to jettison yourself from the entire thing because protecting one's time is more valuable than arguing for or against a protected class that generally means nothing to most and will have zero effect on the timeline of events we find ourselves faced with.
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@anemone @7666 @patchuun you say antisemitic things sometimes, like in our conversation about the Holocaust in Lithuania
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@anemone @7666 @georgia pretty much, you can support a thing for xyz reason but if that reason produces another thing as well, you're sorta supporting that as well. whether that's personally upsetting is a whole different beast
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@patchuun @7666 @anemone @georgia azalea doesnt really beleive in “washing hands” of something being a thing or the idea that something bad can make someone “unclean”

it thinks they should* eventually go “oh that was kinda stupid”, if they dont then theyre hiding from something thats true, but other than that it doesnt really matter (other than if they keep hiding from it for the rest of their lives and cant acknowledge the entirety of the world)

its kinda interesting because its maybe somewhat similar to what you believe
but azalea feels like putting it this way is useful, especially when most people are used to/expect the idea of “have to be Pure otherwise u Die”

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@patchuun @7666 @anemone @georgia
like imagine like, an anime plot or something where someone gets mind controlled to see all their allies as monsters, and fights them

saying “theyre morally culpable for doing that” is just… silly, right?
or “oh, but they supported the main villain, they support [obviously bad thing the villain did]”, thats also silly, right?

…and the real kicker is, if the other party members responded like that, it wouldn’t help the party, it would make things wayyy worse
like, they already know what the controlled character did wasnt good, that character probably already feels guilty about it, is it really gonna help to shun them and just… drive them away? (not even the “oh lul they join the villain again” meme, even just… being driven into solitude and then eventually dying. party down a member for the whole rest of the adventure.)
[edit: i mean ok i know you in particular wouldnt wanna drive them away, but like. idk i feel like thats what the shame usually does]

this is a lot of how azalea views situations like this

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@7666 @anemone @georgia @sun it’s just how the two party system works. for them it’s either that or to jump ship to the party that gives them absolutely nothing they want.

or go third party and completely abandon any pretense of having any political influence.
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@pettanko @anemone @georgia @sun I'd be going third party on principle. I already consider myself entirely unaffiliated.
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@7666 @anemone @sun @pettanko im never voting again for someone I dont wholeheartedly support
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@patchuun @7666 @anemone @georgia the party’s probably gonna say something like “we’re your friends, remember us?” or “remember, they [the villain] burned our homes! [or something]”, or maybe “youre helping them kill us all”
but theyre not gonna say “you support killing us all” or “youre responsible for this” or etc

and yea, it was even thinking like “you dont just tell them ‘youre bad’, you beat them in a fight (which theyre obviously gonna start) and get them to snap out of it!”

…honestly a lot of this is mainly just, “azalea realllllly doesnt like the word ‘support’ in these contexts”
it has this really nasty two-meanings thing, where it has one meaning that’s true and easily defensible [they made (bad things) more likely] and a meaning thats awful and harder to defend [they, as a person, desire these bad things to happen (and most people will usually take away “they deserve suffering if they dont Repent™” as well)], and no one distinguishes between the two meanings
it makes it so that a discussion ostensibly about practicalities starts having implications about peoples internal worldview and/or character and that gets hairy Fast

awawa

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@patchuun @7666 @anemone @georgia i think “support” makes people think if they can strike at the base and attack a bad things “supporters”, the thing will stop existing
and also think that thats how to make bad things go away / make the world better
..and also think that bad things are something that can be go awayed, rather than a simple absence that you deal with by trying to make something nice [ok that ones more complicated but rather it makes people aim more towards “nothing should exist, im gonna destroy things” than “more good things should exist, im gonna make something”]

awawa

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@7666 @anemone @georgia @pettanko third party votes hurt democrats so as long as you’re up front this is kind of an accelaerstionist position (I endorse it)
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@sun @7666 @anemone @georgia I can hurt democrats just by voting for a joke party!?
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@pettanko@tsundere.love @sun@shitposter.world @7666@comp.lain.la @georgia@netzsphaere.xyz you can hurt democrats by voting for democrats since no one hurts the democrats like themselves

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@RedTechEngineer @7666 @anemone @georgia @pettanko the two party monopoly is encoded in eligibility laws in many states. It’s rigged in a hundred ways
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@RedTechEngineer @7666 @anemone @georgia @pettanko even if you get into congress you are locked out of committees which decide everything and are exclusively party controlled
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@georgia

Every time someone makes an argument like that people get more ok with antisemitism. I hope you understand this.

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@georgia

That grouping is basically neocons as far as the ones who pretend to be on the “right”

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@sun @7666 @anemone @georgia @pettanko well, if you move to vermont you can cope with a very weak third party that just barely hangs on every election.
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@pettanko

Just finished reading the thread. I’m more antisemitic than when I began because of @georgia ’s awful arguments

@7666 @anemone @RedTechEngineer @sun
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@georgia

That doesn’t matter. What matters is what you make people think.

It is especially egregious that you called comparison to the Holocaust invidious and insensitive. It was the quintessential “it’s ok when my team does it” nonsense that makes people assume you’re arguing in bad faith.

@7666 @anemone @RedTechEngineer @sun @pettanko
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